Giga the hustler???
 

There seemed to be a little interest on the topic in the monster thread here and I've always wondered what happened to giga. It sounded like some people might have some good info and El D posted this:

"Giga was the hustler, not the mark. If anyone cares to discuss the Giga as conman/liar/fraud thing further, start a new thread so we keep this one on track. If you care, shane, PM me and I'll tell you what good friend of yours can fill you in on all the gory details. "

so...

I've read and heard bits and pieces but have never really gotten anywhere near the full story as to what happened with Gigabet. I've searched before and haven't been able to dig up much. Why did he disappear from 2+2? Who did he hustle, con, lie to, etc? What's the scoop?

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I heard he hustled Mr. Foo, sold him some fake crack dutch boyd gave him.

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I'm sure he's screwed some people. But the only concrete name ever offered up was Scott Fischman - who denies Giga ever screwed him. (I still have the PM from him.)

Again, I'm sure Diablo is right. But it would be nice to hear one name--other than someone who denies any Giga-hustling ever happened and says Giga is a great guy.

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I'm curious as well.

After reading everything that people are saying in the Brandi thread, I don't see why this has to be such a secret.

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it might be harder to get people to talk about giga than some girls. i'd be surprised if you got the same level of detail out of people.

i will say that darrell has always been nice to me whenever i've talked with him online or met him in person (a few times in vegas, foxwoods).

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I always thought everybody had a lil hustle in them???

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Note: Theres no real "hustler" stories in here, so you might not want to waste your time

There was this thread in which he said:

Disclaimer: I typed this very quickly, and just typed as I was thinking, so if the paragraphs aren't broken nicely, and the punctuation is bad, with lots of spelling errors, then don't read it, cause I am not going to edit it.


I cannot remember a time where I didn't know how to play the game. I think I was taught by my stepdad, but I am not sure, I was very young. I remember when I was very young, my mother and my stepdad religously went to a restaurant for breakfast every single morning, almost without exception. I can remember sitting in the restaurant, probably 7 or 8 years old, playing 5 card draw with my brothers and my stepdad while my mother finished the paper, coffee, whatever it was grownups did when I was 8 years old.

We would play with pennies, I don't think I understood the concept of money yet, but I remember enjoying it when I got to keep the pennies. Most mornings I would go with them to breakfast, if I wasn't in school, that is. Every morning we would play 5 card draw, some weird variation of blackjack that i cannot remember how it went, and gin rummy. Or solitaire, if my stepdad wanted to read the paper and david or doug(my brothers) didn't come with. I went with them to breakfast every morning until I was high school age.

In high school, I remember getting kicked out of biology class at least once a week for playing poker during class. Me and a friend would play $1-$3 stud(alot of money for a kid just starting high school) and crazy games with wild cards. I never got in real trouble for getting kicked out, cause my brother was good friends with the vice principal, so I just went to his office everytime she sent me out, and took a nap on his couch in his office.

David and Mr. Blau was his name, both were incredibly idiotic baseball freaks. Apparently 30 years in age difference is small potatoes for a cubs fan. Being tortured for almost 100 years takes away all concept of age.

While in high school, I got a job at a hotel as a desk clerk, and one of my long time friends also worked there, and my uncle worked there(who is my age, and more like a very good friend than a relative.)

After working there for a few weeks, I discovered that the owners of the hotel didn't care what we did while we worked. Hell, no one ever came and checked in, so I guess, why would they care, as long as they could keep paying minimum wage. The hotel has like 100 rooms, and 95% of the year, it would be less than 10% occupied.

Anyway, once I discovered the owners didn't care what I did while I worked, I started inviting friends over while I was working. There is an apartment in the backroom, so it isn't like they were all hanging out in the lobby, but eventually we decided to play sick gambling games(in between the sheets, man or mouse....omg, I think I still owe a friend of mine 7 or 8 thousand from back then, when I never had more than 200 in possession in one time). Eventually we stopped those games, cause someone always went broke, no matter how much they brought, it is the nature of the game to bust someone, just sick.

So we all started playing poker, I played poker in that hotel, every single night, with the same 3 people, various others came and went every night, but David(my brother), Danny(my uncle), Jeremy(my friend) and myself(me)were seriously in that back apartment of that hotel every single night for 2 years straight. We played 7stud, 5card draw, some lowball games, and a couple goofy games for, what was to us, relatively high stakes. We could win or lose 2 or 3k in a single night.

I was 16 when I started working there, and I guess you could say that was my first real taste of a poker game. Everything else I had played was for pretty low stakes, and always on the fly, and short handed. I think I won my first session there, and I remember consistently going over a week without having a losing session. I almost never lost. None of the 4 regulars lost very often, but even when it was just us 4, and no one else, we always would play games with a ton of wild cards, or lowball, cause I never would lose to them.

After playing in the hotel for about a year, we started going to this casino that was about 45 minutes from us. I got myself a fake id, I was only 17, but i don't really look much different then than now. Anyway, this was before the poker boom, in fact, this was the poker depression, all the casinos were predicting that all the pokerrooms were going to be shut down because of lack of business.

Holdem wasn't very widespread at that point in time, in the midwest you couldn't even find a holdem game on the weekends. It was all 7stud, and omaha had just gotten started too. But at the casino I went to, no one ever played the omaha game, except on saturday where a $5 blind single blind plo game would go off. It played like a 10/25 game though. These people were insane, avg pot on the turn card was 500.

I was stuck with 7stud, which I played regurlarly until holdem started getting spread again. Which was like 5 years later. Fast forward to me being 24 years old.

When I was 17, I got very interested in pool, and began playing that everyday. By the time I was 24, I was able to compete with everyone in the midwest, except for the players that were known professionals. So I started to travel around to play pool. Eventually, it got to the point where I couldn't really make any money in it. The only people who would gamble with me, were people who could beat me. My name had become fairly well known in the pool world, so players who actually stood a fair chance to beat me, wouldn't play me, cause they knew that I was a name player. It was a very frustrating time for me. Fortunately, there was usually a poker game in whatever pool hall i happened to be in, although small stakes. Occasionally, I would get some rich farmer, or a local bookie to play hu with me at higher limit. I remember once, I was in Sterling, Ill. for a pool tournament, and there was a card game going on during the tournament. It was like a 2/4 omaha 8/b game. Anyway, one of the guys in the game asked if anyone wanted to raise the limit. I was the only one who said yes. So it didn't happen. But the guy offers me a HU game, I say sure, what stakes. He said 500/1000....I said ok(I had maybe 2500 with me, 500/1000 was wayyyyyyyy over my head at that point in time.) Fortunately, I had friends who saw me win every time I played, so i was able to get 50k from 3 different people. Lol, i have 50bb for this game, not Big Bets, big blinds.....how ridiculous is this bankroll for this game. Fortunately, the people putting the money up had no idea that 50k was not even in the realm of reality in the world of 500/1000 limit holdem.

We get to his room, and he offers the cut, and he deals out 4 cards....?

I look confused, he says, I thought we agreed we were going to play limit omaha all high. What?

I didn't want to lose the game, so I said whatever. But, I had never played all high omaha before, i had seen it played, but that was plo, not limit. I'll figure it out, I say to myself.

Immediately I see that I have no chance at not losing this 50k, unless I just call call call and get lucky. I have absolutely no clue as to what would constitute a good showdown hand in that game.

For the first 3 hours we played, I nevere bet, or raised, unless I had the pure nuts. I did get lucky, i had a string where I won 12 consecutive hands. (most hands went ck ck ck)

I eventually got to the point where I felt I had a handle on the relative showdown value of certain holdings based on the texture of the board. Long story short, I ended getting stuck 43k, then being up 400k, and then being stuck again. It was unreal. We quit after playing for 14 hours, and we dead even, down to the last 100 dollars, it was unreal.

Fast forward, online pokerrooms just became public knowledge, and I get an account at pp. here comes Gigabet.

Play low limit for awhile, never spend enough time at home to really play, always on the road, it seemed. Didn't really get into it, the site basically sucked, it kept freezing up, all the time, it would freeze up for no apparent reason, and then not come back online for a day or so. This was partypoker, i remember once looking at the application, and seeing that there were 1700 players online playing, and thinking to myself that the site would crash cause they usually are only getting 1200. And, they crashed.

Every night party crashed, for a long time. I still dealt with it, and played there a little. I didn't set anything structured to play, I would just hop into whatevere, usually limit holdem or a relatively low buy in mtt. Like 20, or 30. I think my peak online bankroll was around $150 at this time.


Anyway, they eventually, starting getting more and more players, and more and more servers. Finally, when their peak hour player number avged about 17,000 during the week, their servers caught up to the constant influx of new players. This was when I started playing alot online.

I lived with a very good friend of mine, and his wife, probably still my two best friends, if you can exclude my brothers(my brothers, are without a doubt, my two best friends). We shared a pretty decent sized house, and I basically moved out of my room into the office, lol, so i could play the second I woke up.

I obviously have a psychotic case of obsessive compulsive disorder. I started playing stts, the highest limit was 100 at that time, but i wasn't playing those often. I was playing the 33s and the 55s, but only the limit stts, not the NL, I had never played NL holdem up to that point, and i didn't feel comfortable playing them. At that time, the limit stts, filled only slightly slower than the nl stts, so it wasn't a that big of a deal.

I started as a winner on party, and I continued to win, but i didn't work, and pool wasn't making me money, so i always had to withdraw money to pay bills, eat, whatever. Eventually, I had built my account up to around 600 or 700, and I decided to try the 109 tourneys. Of course, the 109s back then only had NL, they didn't even offer 109 limit stts at that time.

I already decided to play a higher limit, so I wasn't going to back off now, just cause I had to play a game I was completely unfamiliar with. Poker is poker, right? Wrong, first time I can remember, in my entire life, that I was completely drawing dead in this game. I just didn't even know where to begin. Someone would come in for a raise, i would call with 99 or something. Board would come 7 high, they would bet the pot, I would call, thinking, it isn't that much, and I probably have the best hand anyway. Now the turn card brings a 2, or some disconnected offsuit card like that. I still like my hand, but I don't feel the need to be real aggressive with it. Of course, the guy bets a little over half the pot now. I incorrectly guessed that meant that he wanted me to fold(cause the bet was so high, in my limit world, in NL, I should have been able to see that it was a bet designed to get called.) I knew poker very well, and I knew that when I thought someone wants me to fold, I try to get as much money in as possible. So I minraise, which obviously commits me all the way to the hand. Of course, he is going to read that bet as a big hand, where I thought I was being cleverly deceptive in hiding the fact that I liked my hand(cause I thought he hated his). So he shoves the rest of his chips in, and I happily call. We all know what happened next.

After that, I studied NL holdem nonstop. I read everything that was written about the game, including everything on the internet. I started playing NL exclusively, and it took me all of 2 days to get to a point where it was obvious to me that the 109 players were basically the same as the 33 and 55 dollars players, just a little less lost.

Anyway, Doug hits a couple big mtt scores, and he offers to start a regular bankroll for me and like 5 other people who live in our town. With the idea that once we get to 40,000, we finish the stake and he gets 20,000. Party had started offering 215s by this time.

We all start playing off of dougs stake, and doug was very good stt player by this time, so every day and every night one of us, and usually 3 or 4 of us would be at his house so he could make certain that we were playing the best way to beat the party stts. Not really play poker, play party poker. Doug was probably the best stt player at party at that time, and no one knew it, including him. I know it now, because some of things I remember him saying to me, while I would be playing, still aren't posted on 2+2 or any other site for that matter.

It took me 2 weeks of pretty solid play to get to a point where I could keep my account over the break even point.

Once I stayed over the even mark for a week. Hovering just over even, I won 7600 in a span of one 24 hour period. That was amazing for me. Took me another couple days to get over 10k, and then I guess whatever clicked, stayed clicked, cause I was making money faster than I knew how to withdraw it from my account.

So I get it up to 40k, and everyone else in the original starting group is still hovering around even, and they are still playing everyday. I am getting ready to give doug the 20k and he only takes 10k(which, if i remember, i had to force him to take). He feels guilty that everyone else is working so hard and not getting rewarded, so he tells them that they don't have to pay him the 20k, hoping that will ease whatever mental block was keeping them from becoming as successful as I was.

It didn't though, they continued to play for months, and I continued to win at a similar pace that I was before. Now, our friends were coming to my house, when doug wasn't home, so i could help them. Everyday, someone would come over and play, and watch me play, and listen to me, and play more, but they still just couldn't get over the hump.

I still hadn't stopped studying NL, but it came to a point where new ideas, and new material ran out. So I was forced to really think about the game on my own. All day, everyday, I was playing, I was writing my thoughts about different situations, I was teaching my friends, and i was playing again. I was absolutely consumed by poker, I was making an amount of money that was absolutely ridiculous to my standards before this rush.

Finally, I got to the point where I realized that the reason alot of the concepts that I came up with weren't working in the stts, because there aren't enough chips in play. I'd have this revelation, about something relative to poker, and I would try it out, and it wouldn't work. I couldn't figure it out. The ideas made perfect sense in my head, I just didn't get it. Finally, I figured out that the edges I was thinking about required that there be more to "go after."

So I started playing multi table events. I was still playing the 215s, but I would take a few games off what I was usually playing at that time, and play a mtt instead. I started playing the party weeknight specials. I found out immediately, that the concepts I had come up with, worked, and they worked very well.

I was making a final table 2 or 3 times a day, that was when they ran 109 mtts every other hour starting at 7:00am est. 7am,9am,11am,1pm(limit),3pm,5pm,7:10pm,(no 9pm) 11pm, and 3am.

The name Gigabet became originally known from the stts, but the name became famous after the sickest weekend I have heard about or seen since.

The prelude to the "weekend" was actually the week before. The friday special had changed from limit to NL for that week. Well, I played it and won, I got HU with EL_Tahur, who now calls himself Tera_Bet.

A week later, the friday special is back to limit holdem(wed and fri used to always be limit holdem). I win the friday special again, albeit for about a 3rd of the prize money from the week before. The following day, Party was offering a tournament that was 345 buyin, rather than the normal 250k guaranteed(I think it was actually 150k guaranteed at that time though). They advertised it well, so it had a boat load of people. I can't remember how many, but I know first was 140k. At any rate, I am the chipleader with 13 players, with a 3 to 1 chip lead over the next person closest to my stack.....except for one guy. Who I had covered by only by around a few thousand, 3bbs I think. Anyway, of course we are on the same table, I am in the small blind and get dealt KK, he is utg, and he just pushes.....which was a huge overbet, but still an understandable bet, since everyone in the field was in push fold mode, except for the two of us, and a couple others on the other table(the other two who weren't in push fold mode, we had a 3 to 1 lead on, to give you an idea of how many chips we had). So of course, I call with KK, and he opens AQ, and the flop comes QQx, lol, he didn't even hit the ace. In retrospect, I prolly should have folded. Anyway, I play the 11:00pm 109mtt and win that, can't remember the number of players, but it was 13k, so you figure it out.

On Sunday am, I play the 6am limit 109, and win that. I got HU with Danny Alaei, if anyone knows him. Good friend of mine. Then I play the big sunday event, and get 4th in that, can't remember how many were in that field, but first was around 80k. I am including monday in my weekend also, so no one gets confused. Monday, I play the party special, and win that, but even more impressive I think is that I made the final table of every single 109 mtt that ran that day starting with the 11am and finishing with the 11pm one. And I won 3 of those. I was playing as SwiftSteal in the 109 mtts, and Gigabet in the special.

After that, I was sure online poker was rigged....but who cares, since it was obviously rigged for me.

Then the Steps come....Party just can't be satisfied until I have 849704509768905760295 billion dollars.

I absolutely crushed the step tournaments when they first came out as two table events , and I played every single one of them that ran in december. I was winning every other one of them, it seemed. Party was still rigged in my favor, yes! There was one night, I had 4 two table step 5s running, and a cash game at UB. Danny Alaei and I chatted everyday(he thinks about poker the same way that I do)and in this particular session, he was watching me play the step 5s, and asking for my hole cards through aim, cause he wanted to start playing them, but he didn't feel comfortable enough at the time. Danny is chipdaddy37 on party, if anyone remembers that name.

So we are talking about how the hands are being played out, and going over my thoughts as i play through a hand, when he tells me that prahlad(spiritrock) just lost a 70k pot on the prima network. Prahlad is in my game at ub, we are playing 25/50, and we both have around 40k behind us. I am in the big blind, and prahlad has the button, and just like clockwork he raises. I have JJ(perfect timing for a hand, though i would have played anything, thinking he may be on tilt.) Long story short, I stack him, he bluffs his entire stack with absolutely nothing, and I flop top set. Meanwhile, I win all four step 5 two tables I am in. This is when Danny and I decide to go to vegas, and just stay through the world series.

My next big win was win the 15k stt tourneys, most of that info has been posted, but I played as evenkeal, played two, and won them both. they paid 100k to win.


thats about it online, now i am playing live, and that has all been posted before as we

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will someone post the entire content of war and peace next because I really don't think we have enough long meaningless posts here...

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will someone post the entire content of war and peace next because I really don't think we have enough long meaningless posts here...

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Did you actually read the entire post? Maybe you should.

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nice read

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Great. Now this can turn into another thread about that old post from way back rather than answering the OP.

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Nice read but that doesn't really answer the question.

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Maybe Diablo can fill us in , because he said in there
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This should be moved to OOT, that's the forum where short fiction belongs!


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Yeah, I don't know what Giga did to garner such ill-will from some people.
ElD and others seem to know some specifics about whatever it was he did. But I have zero idea what it might have been and naturally am interested.

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Lat I heard on the subject is that last year, Giga had a bet that was pretty well known about that he would win the Stars leaderboard. There was a TON of cash on this, and Gig lost, due in part to teams of players playing single accounts and supposedly some players paying other players to cockblock Gig on his tourney tables. It has been said that Giga never paid, I believe by El Diablo, and Gigabet has been MUCH lower profile for the last year or so online. I used to talk to gig every couple weeks or so, and when I did in Feb, he said everything was cool, even though I asked him straight up if there was anything wrong, and why he had been making outlandish posts, ( like the one above) and people were talking crap about him. He just said everything was fine, and I haven't been able to get ahold of him since.

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So he didn't pay up on the leaderboard bet? Not hard to imagine that, given the way he flaked on the Giga-challenge.

I think you've broken some unspoken rule by actually posting specifics on the Giga issue. Nice work though, thx.

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All,

Most of what Giga posted about his bankroll, his results, his poker achievements, etc., were complete lies, a big fiction created to enable him to con lots of people out of lots of money. Some people were able to recover their money after he made a score or two, others weren't.

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All,

Most of what Giga posted about his bankroll, his results, his poker achievements, etc., were complete lies, a big fiction created to enable him to con lots of people out of lots of money. Some people were able to recover their money after he made a score or two, others weren't.

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is this story detailed anywhere else? I'd search for gigabet, but I'm afraid it might crash my computer.

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The Legend of Gigabet (source thread for excerpt in previous post up above):

Gigabet, pleast tell us about your poker upbringing...



Scroll down in thread below where El D starts talking about gigabet:
Chau Giang is BUSTO!!! and other gossip


Then this:
The demise of Gigabet


El D's Scott Fischman thread:
Scott Fischman rumor


Scott Fischman denies rumours of his and giga's bustoness:
The Simple answer; by Fischman and Gigabet!



And question: why hasn't gigabet himself posted since the ZJ cheating [censored] hit the fan?

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All,

Most of what Giga posted about his bankroll, his results, his poker achievements, etc., were complete lies, a big fiction created to enable him to con lots of people out of lots of money. Some people were able to recover their money after he made a score or two, others weren't.

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is this story detailed anywhere else? I'd search for gigabet, but I'm afraid it might crash my computer.

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ok, forget I mentioned it...

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Most of what Giga posted about his bankroll, his results, his poker achievements, etc., were complete lies, a big fiction created to enable him to con lots of people out of lots of money. Some people were able to recover their money after he made a score or two, others weren't.

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is this story detailed anywhere else? I'd search for gigabet, but I'm afraid it might crash my computer.

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Like I said, I'm going to be surprised if the "full story" ever really comes out. I don't know the full story either btw, I'm just saying that the people who do know the full story are a lot more unlikely to talk in this situation.

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Around the time ZJ got caught, it was rumoured that multi-accounting was also used heavily to cheat the step 5 2 table SNGs. It was one of the areas of succes for Giga, so while most of his stories may be fabricated, the succes-stories that people have actually seen (the Step and MTT wins) may have been engineered. Consider the lengths he went to defend highly controversial plays (calling allins from small stacks with clear underdogs... chipdumping?) with his incomprehensible theory posts.

This is rumour, but not having heard from him since the ZJ multi-account scandal adds to the suspicion.

I have no details on the sidebet story.

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This is rumour, but not having heard from him since the ZJ multi-account scandal adds to the suspicion.

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No it doesn't. Do you see why?

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This is rumour, but not having heard from him since the ZJ multi-account scandal adds to the suspicion.

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No it doesn't. Do you see why?

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apparently you see why

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I don't know the full story either btw, I'm just saying that the people who do know the full story are a lot more unlikely to talk in this situation.

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N82,

Who are "the people who do know the full story"? Drop a name or two. Especially if you know they are posters here and holding out.

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He disapeared because everytime he would post meaningful strategy he would get flamed by the idiots on 2+2, just like raymer did after he won the main event.

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Around the time ZJ got caught, it was rumoured that multi-accounting was also used heavily to cheat the step 5 2 table SNGs. It was one of the areas of succes for Giga, so while most of his stories may be fabricated, the succes-stories that people have actually seen (the Step and MTT wins) may have been engineered. Consider the lengths he went to defend highly controversial plays (calling allins from small stacks with clear underdogs... chipdumping?) with his incomprehensible theory posts.

This is rumour, but not having heard from him since the ZJ multi-account scandal adds to the suspicion.

I have no details on the sidebet story.

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This is funny. I remember reading those stories when they were fresh. I recall he couldn't really come up with a satistactory reason for pushing allin behind with something like Q2o and sucking out on the BB's KK. Some meta game crap or other. It just lent more to his legend in the eyes of the believers. To me, it just seemed plain dumb.

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He disapeared because everytime he would post meaningful strategy he would get flamed by the idiots on 2+2, just like raymer did after he won the main event.

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Im not sure if your post was serious or sarcastic tbh. He still seemed to enjoy his 2+2 followers and the 'gigabet myth' we upheld in his last thread. Maybe he enjoyed Diablo's entry less.

that he left because of getting flamed for posting meaningfull strategy is BS. Raymer left because of the idiots calling him fat idiot, gigabet got his ass kissed enough on 2+2 and never got flamed much around here.

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I don't know the full story either btw, I'm just saying that the people who do know the full story are a lot more unlikely to talk in this situation.

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N82,

Who are "the people who do know the full story"? Drop a name or two. Especially if you know they are posters here and holding out.

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Well, I'd say that Scott knows the full story. You can probably figure out the other people who hang out with Scott and Gigabet, or have been associated with them. I'd guess they know also, but I don't think I'll be the one to name them -- especially because there's no way they'd post about it on here.

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Here is the PM I got from Scott, for whatever it's worth:


Re: NVG thread

From: scottfischman

well i have only been reading the [censored] they write about me..and i hate doing that anyway,,,,there is no way i am gonna spend time reading about giga....all i can say is...i am still good friends with him...he is a GENIUS!! with out any doubt...and ANY post he has EVER made you should def apply to your own game...not to mention re-reading it like 8 times cuz i know he can be somewhat in depth and confusing at times... his intelligence and dedication to the game far outweigh that of ANY other player.
PS i am not too handy with the way this works...is there anyway that you can put your question to me about giga and then add my reply to it...and add it to where they do all the shittalking....then send me a link so i can find it? thanks man

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Here is the PM I got from Scott, for whatever it's worth:


Re: NVG thread

From: scottfischman

well i have only been reading the [censored] they write about me..and i hate doing that anyway,,,,there is no way i am gonna spend time reading about giga....all i can say is...i am still good friends with him...he is a GENIUS!! with out any doubt...and ANY post he has EVER made you should def apply to your own game...not to mention re-reading it like 8 times cuz i know he can be somewhat in depth and confusing at times... his intelligence and dedication to the game far outweigh that of ANY other player.
PS i am not too handy with the way this works...is there anyway that you can put your question to me about giga and then add my reply to it...and add it to where they do all the shittalking....then send me a link so i can find it? thanks man

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It still doesn't comment on the rumors of Gigabet being BUSTO.

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

That wasn't the subject. The subject was how much/whether/who GB screwed. Fischman's name was brought up as a concrete example. This also happened to be when Fischman was on here defending himself, getting into it with ppl, and promoting his site. So I PMed him to ask him about GB. This was his reply. He also asked me in another PM if I knew Diablo's UB sn. I told him I didn't know it.

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

lol, who doesn't know El D's UB name?

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

It's kind of funny that his last post on 2p2 was about paying someone $200 to find him a good avatar, and then disappearing

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

suzzer,

Part of "who Giga screwed", has to do with whether he multi-account cheated. If he did, then he screwed not just his opponents, but everyone here who lapped up what he wrote and bought his con. So why don't you ask Scott about relaying an answer on that? And hey I'm not even talking about the time he and ZJ were staying in the same house and ZJ didn't wake up til late and Giga played his entry along with his own. We'll just give him that one as an innocent one-time occurance.

Oh yeah. And ask him why Giga stopped posting here right about the time the ZJ bomb dropped and El D's thread on him (Giga) came out.

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

How the [censored] does somebodys personal ethics reflect on their ability to write poker theory?

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

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lol, who doesn't know El D's UB name?

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Yeah if you want to make a quick buck at 3/6nl you better know his SN.

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

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suzzer,

Part of "who Giga screwed", has to do with whether he multi-account cheated. If he did, then he screwed not just his opponents, but everyone here who lapped up what he wrote and bought his con. So why don't you ask Scott about relaying an answer on that? And hey I'm not even talking about the time he and ZJ were staying in the same house and ZJ didn't wake up til late and Giga played his entry along with his own. We'll just give him that one as an innocent one-time occurance.

Oh yeah. And ask him why Giga stopped posting here right about the time the ZJ bomb dropped and El D's thread on him (Giga) came out.

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this is number one on my list of "got to knows".

Re: Giga the hustler???
 

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How the [censored] does somebodys personal ethics reflect on their ability to write poker theory?

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Fair question. And first let me note that although I have read a couple tourney theory books, I only play a handful a year for entertainment, and don't particularly like them. So I myself am no good judge of tourney theory.

But here's why it matters, and which you should have seen in a couple posts above. When they spout theories which are seen as mathematically and theoretically unsound by other good players but couched in an aura of nebulous BS that is supposed to be so deep, then the only reason anyone buys that is because of their results. But if it transpires that they cheated, then NO ONE other than n00bs and fools would buy their BS. And most likely as well, those theories were just part of the con, as El D has insinuated.