1/2: 88 oop
 

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00


CO ($226.96)
Button ($337.55) 54/16/1.0/357(80 hands)
SB ($198.00) (Hero)
BB ($42.83)
MP2 ($563.60)
MP3 ($234.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $2.00, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 10.0</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Button calls $9.00,

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $24 )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15.00</font>, Button calls $15.00,

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $54 )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $24.00</font>, Hero calls $24.00,

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $102 )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $48.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Final Pot: $147.00

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

bet/fold or check/fold turn

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

this seems okay.

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

15 seems too small though, make it 18

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

Flop bet should be larger. 15 into 24 looks weak and could invite trouble.

As played a would check/fold the turn.

Looks like he just value betting his K rag.

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

...why is it necessary to bet larger on the flop? you want more value?

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

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this seems okay.

[/ QUOTE ]why are you calling the turn (or why aren't you betting it) vs a 54/16/1?

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

because they will float with any pair and usually bet it. i think there is more value in letting him bet than us betting ourselves (though betting the turn for value is tempting).

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

I just call preflop because you get in such awful spots against an uberstation. I probably check flop and c/c 2 streets here if he's been semi-aggro (which it looks like he has).

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

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...why is it necessary to bet larger on the flop? you want more value?

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Because betting too small invites trouble. Where he would normally fold when he missed he correctly spots the bet as being weak and then floats us and puts us in tough spots like this one.

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

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54/16/1.0/357 (80 hands)

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What is the 357?

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...why is it necessary to bet larger on the flop? you want more value?

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Because betting too small invites trouble. Where he would normally fold when he missed he correctly spots the bet as being weak and then floats us and puts us in tough spots like this one.

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i think his calling range of $18 = his calling range of $15. this guy isn't folding any pair no matter what we do. also, why are you so intent on him folding? we are certainly ahead of a decent part of his range right? (not saying him folding is bad, but him calling isn't overly terrible i wouldnt think).

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...why is it necessary to bet larger on the flop? you want more value?

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Because betting too small invites trouble. Where he would normally fold when he missed he correctly spots the bet as being weak and then floats us and puts us in tough spots like this one.

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i think his calling range of $18 = his calling range of $15. this guy isn't folding any pair no matter what we do. also, why are you so intent on him folding? we are certainly ahead of a decent part of his range right? (not saying him folding is bad, but him calling isn't overly terrible i wouldnt think).

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I don't expect him to fold a pair.

I just think that if we bet $15 instead of $20 he is more likely to think we are FOS and try to bluff us.

In theory you will say that's good and we should be happy to have him bluffing us but in practice we are OOP with a marginal hand and no idea whether we're snapping off bluffs or getting valuetowned.

Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

Dave,

Just because he will float often and bet the turn doesn't mean that we will be in a better spot for it. We hate half the deck come turn. By the river we hate most of it. The quicker this hand ends the better. B/f that turn.

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bet/fold turn

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Re: 1/2: 88 oop
 

Jam,

I can see your point. I don't necessarily agree with it as I think that relative FE of $16 instead of $18 is fairly close. But you bring good merits to your argument.