Celtics let go of Telfair
 

He had one more guaranteed year on his contract.

I wonder how he would have ended up had he gone to Louisville for a couple years.

Portland fans---

1. Thanks.
2. Enjoy Brandon Roy.

Everyone else--

Do you think anyone else will give him a shot? Or is he done with the NBA for good?

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I think he gets a shot.

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He's young and quick. Someone will give him another shot, but he is going to have build up some trust with his new team. I don't think he's bound for Europe quite yet, but he hasn't played well and developing a bad rep with the law isnt' going to help him image.

Why did the Celtics ever make this trade? Did they really think they were getting something in Telfair? Was it for the additional picks or salary cap space? I hated this deal from day one. I hope something good comes out of this so Ainge can make it look like he knew what he was doing.

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You know, I don't want to make excuses for him, but he was driving in Yonkers with an expensive SUV at 21. Wouldn't you be packing?

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Not done in the NBA (assuming he doesn't end up in jail). Not by a long shot. He's just too cheap at this point. Next year could very well be his last, though.

Frankly I think he's getting a bum deal with this weapons charge thing. I know he's had trouble with the law before, but I don't think it's dumb for most NBA guys to carry a piece. Pierce nearly got stabbed to death and has reported that he's been followed on his way home from games. Anyway, just a thought.. I don't want this to turn into a gun control thread.

From the Cs standpoint, if they wanted to cut ties with him, this situation brought a logical reason to.

How bad is Bassy kicking himself for passing up on Louisville? His stock drop is much, much worse than Kwame Brown's.

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basically,

the contract swap was Raef Lafrentz (who had four years left) versus theo ratliff (who had two years left and is expiring at the end of next year).

if danny can turn theo's contract + young pieces into an all-star next year, i still say it's worth it.

a question i have is that i wonder if portland still would have done the deal for jarret jack, who is awesome.

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How bad is Bassy kicking himself for passing up on Louisville? His stock drop is much, much worse than Kwame Brown's.

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What is there to make you assume that he wouldn't have gotten in trouble / had his stock drop at Louisville? If that had happened, he'd have even less money than he does now.

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It's certainly not a failsafe, and you're right, he'd be a few mil poorer. He himself might not care all that much, which is fine. But a kid who's THAT dominant in HS doesn't enter college and suddenly lose it. He would've been outstanding, and he probably would've learned a thing or two about the game of basketball. Even if he didn't dominate or learn anything, he would've entered the NBA with much more realistic expectations.

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not surprising at all. This kid should have gone to college, however if you watched his documentary you can see why he went pro. I was never a fan of his game, but I hope he can turn things around. He needs to get out of the hood and concentrate on ball or else he will be in Greece like his brother.

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prediction: he goes to atlanta, ny, or nj.

hotlanta = needs pg and he can hang with ludacris
ny = where hes from + steph (his cousin)
nj = partially owned by his boy jay-z

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He needs to go a veteran team so that he has some stability and is able to learn from some experienced players. SA would be a perfect place for him, but it would never happen.

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lololololol. If Isiah actually signs him...wow just wow.

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technically, i still think the celtics need to "trade" him.

but it would be for like a future second rounder or something.

i really have no idea how this sort of stuff works.

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Well I guess he'll never be able to convince Lucky to have a Sebastian Telfair night at the Garden now.

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He'll certainly get another shot because of his contract. I don't think he'll last much longer afterwards though. He can't shoot at all and he will always be a defensive liability because of his height.

I don't really know if college would have helped him or not. Quick guys like him can get into the lane so easily in college they really don't need to have a jump shot to excel.

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GKA,

I don't think so. They can just waive him. His trade value got shot once he got arrested, so any trade he's a part of now is purely about making the money work. From that perspective, making this statement now doesn't really hurt the team.

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In related Celtics law trouble news, Tony Allen has been cleared of all charges from that fighting incident in Chicago.

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Telfair just makes me believe even more that the NBA needs to set up a minor league program with the NBDL. What exactly is preventing them from doing this?

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lolol this is awesome
hello sebastian, welcome to europe basketball./\

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Telfair just makes me believe even more that the NBA needs to set up a minor league program with the NBDL. What exactly is preventing them from doing this?

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How many quality players have come from the NBDL? 0?

There is a minor leagues, it's called college.

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basically,

the contract swap was Raef Lafrentz (who had four years left) versus theo ratliff (who had two years left and is expiring at the end of next year).

if danny can turn theo's contract + young pieces into an all-star next year, i still say it's worth it.



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C'mon now. That's just silly. Brandon Roy will still be an indentured servant in two years, and just what young pieces that the Celtics don't want to keep is Ainge supposed to package with Ratliff for "an all-star".

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basically,

the contract swap was Raef Lafrentz (who had four years left) versus theo ratliff (who had two years left and is expiring at the end of next year).

if danny can turn theo's contract + young pieces into an all-star next year, i still say it's worth it.



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C'mon now. That's just silly. Brandon Roy will still be an indentured servant in two years, and just what young pieces that the Celtics don't want to keep is Ainge supposed to package with Ratliff for "an all-star".

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The Celtics have plenty of young (and cheap) talent -Perkins, Rondo, Allen, Ray, Powe, Green, West, Gomes - that other teams around the league would like to have. Plus dumping an older player (with a few years left on his contract) for Ratliff's expiring contract would be quite appealing to many teams. Moving one or two of those players plus Ratliff isn't that big of a stretch. For example, Seattle has been rumored to be trying to move Ray Allen. Not saying it will happen, just giving it as an example. That being said, I would much rather have Roy than the unknown player in this scenario.

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basically,

the contract swap was Raef Lafrentz (who had four years left) versus theo ratliff (who had two years left and is expiring at the end of next year).

if danny can turn theo's contract + young pieces into an all-star next year, i still say it's worth it.



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C'mon now. That's just silly. Brandon Roy will still be an indentured servant in two years, and just what young pieces that the Celtics don't want to keep is Ainge supposed to package with Ratliff for "an all-star".

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The Celtics have plenty of young (and cheap) talent -Perkins, Rondo, Allen, Ray, Powe, Green, West, Gomes - that other teams around the league would like to have. Plus dumping an older player (with a few years left on his contract) for Ratliff's expiring contract would be quite appealing to many teams. Moving one or two of those players plus Ratliff isn't that big of a stretch. For example, Seattle has been rumored to be trying to move Ray Allen. Not saying it will happen, just giving it as an example. That being said, I would much rather have Roy than the unknown player in this scenario.

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The Celtics won't trade Green til they know he's a bust. They will resign Jefferson at any cost. The rest of those kids, while nice, are essentially all role players. Perkins has some remote chance of developing still, but the window is closing and he's another that will be viewed as a prayer, not an asset, if the Celtics were willing to move him. You may get one year of $20m Jason Kidd or some other about to die guy, yeah, but why do that with a team that is years away from serious contention. But a legit all-star? No way.

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No, they won't get a "in his prime superstar", but they could get a really quality player with a couple of good years left. I'm not saying it was a good strategy, but I do agree that it is the only way to get something good out of trading away Roy. If they let Ratliff leave without trading him and hang on to all of these kids, then letting Roy becomes monumentally stupid as opposed to just plain dumb.

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You know, I don't want to make excuses for him, but he was driving in Yonkers with an expensive SUV at 21. Wouldn't you be packing?

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Not if you had already been suspended once for traveling with a gun, and were under investigation for the shooting of a rapper right after his posse stole your jewelry. Maybe Telfair should have been holed up somewhere safe, working on his game. From what I've seen, he needs to learn how to shoot, defend, and follow instructions.

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lololololol. If Isiah actually signs him...wow just wow.

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How can Isiah resist a highly touted, too short, point guard who can't play D? I bet he's trying to offer the celtics a #1 for him right now...

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Telfair just makes me believe even more that the NBA needs to set up a minor league program with the NBDL. What exactly is preventing them from doing this?

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How many quality players have come from the NBDL? 0?

There is a minor leagues, it's called college.

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I think you're agreeing with me but you don't even know it. The reason that zero quality players have come from the NBDL is because teams can't send players down there without risking losing them to another team. If they could, then the NBDL would be a lot better, we would get to watch young stars flourish in the NBDL instead of sit on the bench in the NBA, and most importantly it would greatly help the players.

College doesn't pay the players any money, so financially it doesn't make sense for them. Under my proposal, they would be signed to an NBA contract and making the same money, but they'd be playing in the NBDL(note that every player in the NBDL wouldn't belong to an NBA team or have an NBA contract though).

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Frankly I think he's getting a bum deal with this weapons charge thing. I know he's had trouble with the law before, but I don't think it's dumb for most NBA guys to carry a piece. Pierce nearly got stabbed to death and has reported that he's been followed on his way home from games.

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There would be no reason that Pierce couldn't get a concealed carry permit, and a waiver of team rules on gun possession, esp. because of these issues.

Telfair didn't have any permit, was busted for carrying one on a plane, was told never to carry a gun, knew it was team policy for no player to carry a gun, and still did it again. Do you think he really tried to get a permit or team permission?

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No, they won't get a "in his prime superstar", but they could get a really quality player with a couple of good years left. I'm not saying it was a good strategy, but I do agree that it is the only way to get something good out of trading away Roy. If they let Ratliff leave without trading him and hang on to all of these kids, then letting Roy becomes monumentally stupid as opposed to just plain dumb.

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ratliff sucks. there's no team in the league that wants him. perk > ratliff.

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"ny = where hes from + steph (his cousin)"


steph and him do not get along

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steph and him do not get along

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Didn't know this. Why is that?

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The problem is I don't know that there are really that many people who would make sense to go to a minor league. Telfair would be far and away the best player that it wouldn't be worth it. It's not like AAA, which is at least somewhat close to MLB quality.

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http://www.trackpads.com/forum/baske...mily-feud.html

pretty much it although im sure theres more to it. i remember reading it in telfairs biography "the jump"

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Ok so I havent seen that much of Telfair. Is he better than Smush?

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steph and him do not get along

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yes they do.

he went to his court hearing the other day and he has spoken in favor of sebastian a couple of times.

i know steph and bassy had one little fight, but in general they are really close.

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soon the league will be rondo's

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soon the league will be rondo's

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i just hope n00bs like nash, kidd, and chris paul are ready for raaaaaaaaaajon rondooooooooooooooo

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No, they won't get a "in his prime superstar", but they could get a really quality player with a couple of good years left. I'm not saying it was a good strategy, but I do agree that it is the only way to get something good out of trading away Roy. If they let Ratliff leave without trading him and hang on to all of these kids, then letting Roy becomes monumentally stupid as opposed to just plain dumb.

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ratliff sucks. there's no team in the league that wants him. perk > ratliff.

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I'm guessing you haven't been following the conversation very closely. I never said anybody wanted Ratliff; they want his expiring contract. If you can move a guy with 3-4 years on his contract in a deal where you get Ratliff, you can take millions of dollars of your salary cap after the season. NBA teams trade for expiring contracts all the time; it's standard practice.

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Ok so I havent seen that much of Telfair. Is he better than Smush?

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he is a shoot first point guard that cant shoot.