PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

Here is the hand....

Question is.. how to extract value from it??!

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1480
UTG+1: t1920
Hero: t1270
MP1: t3030
MP2: t1400
MP3: t1735
CO: t1790
Button: t2975
SB: t2170
BB: t2230

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t150)</font>, 4 folds, Button calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t250)</font>, SB calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t350)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t300</font>, 3 folds.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

Possibly a turn bet of 200, if someone had an ace they will play back, if they all have rags then there is not much you can do on this board. Good river bet

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

luckily you are not losing much money by not extracting maximum value from quads [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

i dont mean to be harsh but this hand was played badly.

fold pf.

either on the flop, or at latest on the turn, bet. you dont have a lot of money you need to put in, if someone hit the ace or even a piece of the flop theyll double you up or call a small bet, so just try to get money in the pot. you will usually not get action on quads, its an unfortunate fact of poker. when you do, its because someone was willing to stack off in response to many lines you could take in many situations, so just hope they hit, and generally you cant go wrong with betting on cards that could have hit villains ranges when the money is short.


also, with your stack, just to stress how bad limping PF is (i want to make sure you dont do it again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]), shoving would be better, and is still not good.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

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i dont mean to be harsh but this hand was played badly.
fold pf.


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hehe, I was expecting that. Actully only reason I did that was because this was a NL SnG played like limit... ppl liked to call BB from any position, min-raise.

I probably would of fold to any action in front of me.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

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i dont mean to be harsh but this hand was played badly.
fold pf.


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hehe, I was expecting that. Actully only reason I did that was because this was a NL SnG played like limit... ppl liked to call BB from any position, min-raise.

I probably would of fold to any action in front of me.

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not a good reason not to fold PF

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

fold PF, calling here is horrible

check flop
bet turn - either someone has an ace, or your not getting paid at all - when they have the ace you can get 2 streets worth of value out of your hand here so bet that [censored]

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

I'm with the fold preflop crowd.
Anyone else interested in a minbet on the flop? Anyone who is going to put any money in on later streets is going to call it.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

I'm betting the flop every time. I'm trying to build the pot here when someone does have a piece of it, and make them pay to see those draws that aren't any good. I think a min bet on the flop might actually be ok.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

Yeah, bet the flop. If everyone folds you weren't going to get any more value out of this hand anyway.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

I would either fold or maybe i would go all in preflop - saying this game was played tight as limit poker then i tend do push with 12 bb left - no one else ?

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

I like betting the flop here. Some donk will chase overcards, and maybe someone will give you a lot of action with small overpair like 88.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

Def don't shove here pre-flop. Anyone who thinks this is a +EV shove, do yourself a favor and invest in some ICM tools (see the stickies).

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

minibetting the flop screams "I have got a 6 please call me".
I check the flop and hope somebody hits/makes a move.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

As played, pot the ace on the turn. If no one has one, your action is done anyway. Best chance of getting paid here is if someone catches up or thinks you're FOS, and this turn card is the card to try it.

nuff said about pf.

Re: PS11: Flop quads... how to extract value?!
 

I don't mind checking the flop since it's pretty hard for someone to have a piece of it with you having quads.

Once the ace comes on the turn it's time to start building a pot and just hope for the best. I probably be like 1/2 pot. It's hard to extract value with quads a lot of the time though, not much you can do.