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99Machine 08-03-2007 02:56 AM

Poker & Your Girlfriend
 
(Inspired by a friend's problem with his girlfriend, and my own experiences with mine, I've written this entry for my recently started blog on Facebook. Please enjoy.)

Poker & Your Girlfriend
By N. Eilamurugan

Anyone who plays a lot of poker, be it as a job or as a occasional hobby and is *ahem*...lucky enough to have a girlfriend, know that there is a bit of drama that goes with it.

If you are truly fortunate enough to have a girlfriend who accepts the game as your main source of entertainment and/or income and maybe even partakes in it once in a while without bitching, then this isn't for you. This is for you poor suckers who end up with that dreaded feeling of choosing poker over your girlfriend or just life in general when you're heading to a game. That is a horrible feeling, and no one should have to feel that way.

There are usually two different reasons for this problem. Either your special someone feels that you don't spend enough time with her, or she strongly believes that gambling is something evil and destructive. First one is easy. If your problem is the later, you have something else coming, buddy.

Your Girlfriend Thinks You Don't Spend Enough Time With Her

This is an easy problem to fix. Easiest answer to this is, spend time with your girlfriend! That doesn't help? Then you need to grow some balls and let her know that this is your hobby, and this is what you enjoy doing. Like she likes karaoke and reading sleazy romance novels, you like playing poker. If you play poker for an income, then you need to emphasize that it's a job, and not just something you do for fun.

After doing this, it would help you a great deal if you never mentioned poker to her when hanging out. Don't brag about how you check-raised the fish on all three streets with just top pair and medium kicker, and the fish showed down top pair with a weaker kicker...Don't brag about how you value bet K high on the river and got called down by Q high...Just...Don't do it. She really doesn't care. If she doesn't play much poker and she isn't the biggest supporter of your gambling career, then she really doesn't want to hear this over lunch. Even if she acts like she does.

It might even be a good idea to take her to a game once in a while and play socially. If you play for a living, then you can take her to a smaller game and just have fun with her. But beware...Do not EVER make the mistake of trying to coach her at the table. If she flops the nut straight and folds it to a bet because it just didn't feel right...DO NOT yell at her. If she goes 16 bets on the river with just a set of sevens against the nut flush, never ever speak of it. All you should do is smile and say, “Hey, that's a nice hand.” The most you can do is buy her a poker book and hopes she reads it. Don't try to pressure her into reading it either, 'cause she won't. If you do coach her, do it in private, and only if she asks you to.

Your Girlfriend Thinks Gambling Is Evil and Destructive

Oh...Boy.

Believe it or not, this is the case for a LOT of the guys I play with regularly. And it's mostly an Asian problem. A lot of Asians, regardless of gender, come from families with very strong beliefs on gambling. Most of us so called professional poker players know deep down that their beliefs aren't completely falsified. Gambling is destructive, and depending on how you feel about that sort of thing, even when it's not self-destructive, it's destructive to others and that may or may not be evil. Most of us know this and accept it. But if your girlfriend said this, you have to defend your position whole heartedly.

If you're a recreational player, then your excuse is that everyone that plays can afford the money they loose. Loosing 200 bucks a night is no big deal because you're likely to spend that much on a night out with your friends. It's the exact same thing. You paid 200 dollars for entertainment. If you won, then even better. Your opponents paid for their entertainment, you profited.

If you are a professional poker player, then it's a little bit harder. Because often times, you ARE taking money from those who can't afford to loose it, and you might even BE one of those people. Whether you take their money or not, those people will always exist. That's who casinos are built for in the first place. If you don't take their money, someone else will, there is nothing you can do for these people.

What if she thinks a professional poker player is worthless to society? Then you have to tell her how wrong she is. In his book, Ace On The River, Barry Greenstein tells you that your support of the casino probably paid for the roads and the schools in the city it's in. You are responsible for the employment of many dealers and servers. And a portion of your rake or session fees at the tables go to charitable organizations.

An other very important point I would like to stress is, NEVER EVER borrow money from your girlfriend (unless she's your poker girlfriend, you lucky bastard) for poker under any circumstance if she is even slightly against gambling. You borrowing money from her will only strengthen her beliefs about gambling and how you fit her parents' description of a degenerate gambler.

If you want her to respect poker as your profession/hobby, the most important thing is for you to respect poker as your profession/hobby. Regardless of which category you fall in, there are things you can do to help yourself and your image. Don't play long hours, don't play games you can't afford. Don't excessively talk about poker with your girlfriend. Keep poker at the table, and leave it there, don't take it to your girlfriend. If you have other things to do first, do that before you play poker. But all these should be obvious..*cough*...Right guys?

KaponoFor3 08-04-2007 06:15 PM

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I'm not in this situation, but just wanted to say it was a good post. Well written.

nanamar05 08-04-2007 07:56 PM

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After doing this, it would help you a great deal if you never mentioned poker to her when hanging out. Don't brag about how you check-raised the fish on all three streets with just top pair and medium kicker, and the fish showed down top pair with a weaker kicker...Don't brag about how you value bet K high on the river and got called down by Q high...Just...Don't do it. She really doesn't care. If she doesn't play much poker and she isn't the biggest supporter of your gambling career, then she really doesn't want to hear this over lunch. Even if she acts like she does.


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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! That is so true. I do it all the time and talk about my bad beats to her. I know that she is acting like she really cares, but I still keep going because it better to get bad beats off my shoulders than hear her whine about her friends.

Praxising 08-05-2007 04:32 AM

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! That is so true. I do it all the time and talk about my bad beats to her. I know that she is acting like she really cares, but I still keep going because it better to get bad beats off my shoulders than hear her whine about her friends.

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So let me get this straight: you bore her silly with your BS and she is as interested as she can manage but when she wants to talk about what's important to her to you, well, you just ain't listening? Even enough to pretend to be interested like she does?

Reminds me of the guy on Full Contact who bought his GF a case of Phil Hellmuth's energy drink for their THREE YEAR anniversary. He figured if she didn't like it, he could drink it. He wondered why she pitched a fit.

It's a wonder you guys ever get laid.

Look - if you have something in your life that is really important, golf or poker or comic books - running for one guy I know, if you have to keep it from her or not talk about it, what you need is a DIFFERENT GF - one who gets it. And you only deserve that, if you make the effort to get her in return. If you don't WANT, all by your lonesome, to be with her enough to sustain a relationship, you need a NEW GF.

If you're just acting a certain way to keep her around to haul your ashes and wash your underoos - makes her a poorly-paid hooker. And if she accepts that deal - you're just another john.

Michael Davis 08-05-2007 05:38 AM

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Guys who have problems with their girlfriends over poker are huge pussies. End of story.

-Michael

Humble Pie 08-05-2007 07:13 AM

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Guys who quit poker and relocate because of their girlfriends over poker are huge pussies. End of story.


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oddsock 08-05-2007 07:13 AM

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My g/f almost certainly thinks i spend too much time playing poker but then I didnt ask her to move in with me and to be brutally honest, it's only the poker which allows me to put up with her.

teacher66 08-05-2007 02:08 PM

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Im married for 8 years, i started playing poker about 1 year ago after watching poker on ESPN. I have spent alot of time reading poker books and playing tournaments. My wife hates it even though i am profitable. I coach my son in baseball and hockey and most of my playing time is Late at night or on weekends. My wife is a math professor and i can fully explain all of the edges she would have in a game if she chose to play. It does not matter. My friend had the same problem with his Fiance, after she went at him on a 15 minute rant about his playing poker and that if he didnt quit she would leave him. His reply was "are you done? I have a tournament starting in 15 minutes." The reason that women dont want us playing is they do not have control. Beware!! they want to control you.

sputum 08-05-2007 02:09 PM

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My g/f almost certainly thinks i spend too much time playing poker but then I didnt ask her to move in with me and to be brutally honest, it's only the poker which allows me to put up with her.

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oddsock 08-05-2007 09:38 PM

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My g/f almost certainly thinks i spend too much time playing poker but then I didnt ask her to move in with me and to be brutally honest, it's only the poker which allows me to put up with her.

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my g/f is a clinical depressive who used emotional blackmail to move in with me when i wasn't prepared for it. this basically ended my 15-year career in an excellent job as an I.T. consultant that travelled Europe. whether i couldnt do the job because of her neediness or whether i just couldnt be bothered anymore because of pathetic situation i got myself into would be up for psychological debate. what i'm saying is that if i didnt have the outlet of poker i would probably have long been found up some alleyway with a needle in my arm.

hows that for brutal honesty among poker players?

the irony of this is that i actually make a reasonable living out of poker - it pays my bills, and i enjoy it.

govman6767 08-06-2007 02:10 AM

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Just gave my GF a 15k car and paid cash. She still won't let me play poker on sunday and monday

mce86 08-06-2007 11:36 AM

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When I met my girlfriends parents for the first time, the first thing her dad asked me was "so, howd you do in the Heartland Poker Tournament"....and we talked about how I busted out...my girlfriend listens to all my stories and keeps me level headed about poker, its actually the one thing i do that she doesnt mind. Now browsing 2+2 forums all day is another story!

sputum 08-06-2007 12:19 PM

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My g/f almost certainly thinks i spend too much time playing poker but then I didnt ask her to move in with me and to be brutally honest, it's only the poker which allows me to put up with her.

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my g/f is a clinical depressive who used emotional blackmail to move in with me when i wasn't prepared for it. this basically ended my 15-year career in an excellent job as an I.T. consultant that travelled Europe. whether i couldnt do the job because of her neediness or whether i just couldnt be bothered anymore because of pathetic situation i got myself into would be up for psychological debate. what i'm saying is that if i didnt have the outlet of poker i would probably have long been found up some alleyway with a needle in my arm.

hows that for brutal honesty among poker players?

the irony of this is that i actually make a reasonable living out of poker - it pays my bills, and i enjoy it.

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gatorch0mp 08-06-2007 03:38 PM

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LOL... I hear ya... my wife won't refer to it as "poker" either... it's always "gambling"... my online poker time is pretty much only after everyone goes to sleep... or the occassional "gambling day" my wife allows me at the local casino... but it's never to profit, it's a gift to me from her just as long "as I'm having fun"... she so generous [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-G

tehkris 08-09-2007 03:56 PM

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dude, it's like you're in my head walking around. My gf hates poker, help me!!

ViZioN 08-09-2007 07:21 PM

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My friend had the same problem with his Fiance, after she went at him on a 15 minute rant about his playing poker and that if he didnt quit she would leave him. His reply was "are you done? I have a tournament starting in 15 minutes."

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thac 08-10-2007 12:10 AM

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I figure I can share my story.

I've been dating my girlfriend (now fiancee) for 13 months (and 6 months prior) now, and she has known about me playing poker since I've started in late 2005. She knows I make money and she likes having the extra spending cash.

She didnt mind when times were tough (lol nl25) and she supported me the whole way. I was living with my parents at the time, and in May, we decided that we were gonna move to a new town (my girlfriend and I).

I had a job at a distribution center, getting up at 5am for $9.50/hr sucked so bad and I was depressed all the time. I found a new job working at a pizza place (with tips it ended up being around $11.50/hr) part-time while I played poker, girlfriend fully supported that because I make more when I play than when I work. Well, about a month into that job my bosses were pretty retarded and made [censored] business decisions and switched my schedule around, so I told my girlfriend about it and she pretty much flat out told me that I could play poker for a living while going to school because she knows I'm good enough.

We're engaged now and plan to be married in a couple years (she wants to be 21 first), and I've never been happier because I set my own hours, and she doesn't have to spend every weekend night alone until 2 am when I used to get home from work.


It's all about finding the right girl.

WiredSevens 08-10-2007 08:42 AM

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I explained to my girlfriend (who is a smart cookie) about how I've read 5+ poker books and explained a little of the math of it. Thus proving that it is profitable to play as I am a winning player. Even explained my win-rate over dozens of live sessions to shut her up.

I also told her:

"I can't be THAT lucky, it is my Skill, and heck if I am THAT lucky then you should be happy because you're with me: the Super lucky one" lawl

She would fully understand that poker (for me) is +EV, except for the fact that she (like many women in this situation) do not listen. They just keep their pre-existing notions on gambling and hold to them.

My girlfriend finally understands somewhat, but I do my best to never bring up poker. She may accept it and understand it somewhat, but she doesn't need to hear about the gambling.

Gambling is a touchy subject for most peoples. And if it isn't a "touchy subject" then that person is probably a gambler, and a loser at that (as the ratio of losers to winners is massive).

One final note in convincing your girlfriend that poker is perfectly fine:

Money Talks.

WiredSevens 08-10-2007 08:44 AM

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It's all about finding the right girl.

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You may be spot on here.

Sparki 08-10-2007 12:54 PM

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There are tons of girls out there that will be supportive. You really do just need to find one that is okay with it. Also keep in mind that sometimes it's nice to have something that your gf doesn’t have or do. You should both enjoy the things you do together. Most importantly as stated above if your gf does start playing keep your comments to yourself!!!!!

I think that it is way harder for girls who play (more than just for fun) to find accepting bf's. My Ex used to get mad because I would go to the casino and sit at a table with a ton of men who would hit on me all night long. He thought that I was going to get beat up or mugged on my way out and just hated me playing. Then if you find a guy who plays they don’t like it when you play better then them or at a higher limit or whatever.

xxGreat1xx 08-11-2007 02:06 PM

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A lot of you probably read my post earlier this week about my girl troubles. Mine falls in the middle of these two.

Heres my philosophy:

When she stops caring what you're doing, she's stopped loving you. And by then she is probably cheating on you as well. So as long as she cares about what you are doing, and you want to be with her, you should give her what she needs. If not, then let it go.

That is my dilemma right now, to have all the time in the world to play poker and drink and party, or to have a girl that loves and cares about me but rags me to death. Case pending.

Lusky 08-11-2007 07:11 PM

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A lot of you probably read my post earlier this week about my girl troubles. Mine falls in the middle of these two.



That is my dilemma right now, to have all the time in the world to play poker and drink and party, or to have a girl that loves and cares about me but rags me to death. Case pending.

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I used money I earned playing poker to take my g/f to Lake Tahoe, Disney/Universal, Las Vegas, New York, etc...... and I still get ragged. Put cash down a a new vehicle for her to get her note down to where she could afford it. She is(was) wearing a very expensive engagement ring. Once I spent all this money and realized my bankroll was starting to suffer(to much spent, lack of play to build it back) she would actually make herself believe I lost the money even though she knows my job income vs bills would not have paid for all this trips.
I think she is going to be moving out soon...........

JackAll 08-14-2007 11:57 AM

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If she flops the nut straight and folds it to a bet because it just didn't feel right...DO NOT yell at her.

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LOLZ

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Your Girlfriend Thinks Gambling Is Evil and Destructive

Oh...Boy.

Believe it or not, this is the case for a LOT of the guys I play with regularly. And it's mostly an Asian problem. A lot of Asians, regardless of gender, come from families with very strong beliefs on gambling.

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Man, you have NO IDEA what gambling is like in asian countries. Asians are INSANE GAMBLERS. Stories of people gambling away their house - even their wife! - are definitely not unheeard of. Also, they seem to enjoy 50/50 gambling because if they win they feel that someone from a higher realm is looking out for them and they feel special.

Smart asians from this kind of culture teach their kids to just stay away, just like western people teach their kids to just not use heroin (you getting the gravity of gambling in asian countries yet?).

I'm not even sure it is possible to fully explain it without them being super interested and have a mathematical mind to learn that poker has a large element of skill also. They won't just 'get it' if you say this to them. Only really if they learn the game - which is pretty rare.

LoosenUp 08-14-2007 10:42 PM

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Now browsing 2+2 forums all day is another story!

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ya i'm not sure what worse my constant poker playing or my constant 2+2 browsing

magoo 08-19-2007 10:33 AM

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I have had intermittent relationships with women, during my lifelong affair with poker.

hornpout 08-19-2007 10:59 AM

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show her this thread.

RunyonAve 08-28-2007 01:50 PM

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Most of the guys in this thread need to find new women. Do whatever the hell you want to do and don't let a women tell you what you can and can't do... if she's got a problem with that tell her to hit the road.

mikewpu04 08-28-2007 11:27 PM

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I can't believe all the problems some people get, I guess I am really lucky to have my girlfriend. She will even PLAY 2/4 from time to time in AC...

Today I was off and no one was around so I decided to play 2/4 for 100 bucks. She was very ok with it, and told me to have a good time. She knows its my HOBBY and sees it no diffrent then me blowing $200 bucks on sports games or crap. She's even said "Hey, at least with poker, theres the chance you will win money!" With buying things, you will always not have the money...

Restlys 08-29-2007 09:47 PM

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To oddsock: i dont know enough details about your situation but your gf didnt make you quit your job, etc. You did.
So put up some boundaries and take care of yourself.

Let her problems be her problems.
if you think that way youll probably get laid more too.

Restlys 08-29-2007 10:03 PM

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geez, make your own god damn choices and when your partner do not respect it, find a compromise.
Do you really think people have a problem against gambling?(our kid, where we have a REAL edge and can beat the game with effort and commitment) Of course not, its an emotional issue ....i hear guys telling me their gf dont want them to play; well thats not her god damn business, if she wants to spend more time with you and thats the issue...WELL THATS THE ISSUE
if she has a irrational fear of gambling well thats her problem and how the hell can you guys accept their moany attitude.
YOU ACCEPT WHATEVER TREATMENT PEOPLE GIVE TO YOU
make your choices there, if she gives you [censored], dont accept it, if shes not happy because your playing poker well geez she has to make choices. If your unhappy because of what the relationship became cuz of poker and you associate to much pain and not enough pleasure to finding a compromise well weight both ends : Her, Or poker????? theres a zillion other women out there

Dont give me shiet that OMG your situation is complicated and its hard and that i wouldnt understand.... BSSSSS you have the brains and the intellect to solve this problem and make it a win win deal for you and your gf. you just have to DECIDE( deciding means cutting any other possible scenario) to deal with it and commit to it. TOOO HAAAARDDD???? well thenyou are not a men
or your physically stupid from birth
or you have some condition that makes you an incapable failure

but if thats the case then whinning about it wont help...in fact, its COUNTER PRODUCTIVE - human beings only have a limited consciousness/unconsciousness that can only acquire a limited set of information at any time, as soon as you start focusing on your problem to Not deal with them and NOT NOT NOT find a solution ,then this is all your going to focus on, you wont be able to focus on finding the solution, or how to get an emotional boost to your feeling of helplessness


Personaly my gf calls me to see i go Hey ! you can see me but im doing a session right now, She goes: GReat ! ill sit next to you and read a book until your done....

Even in bed ! i can go " honey i need to sleep i got a session tomorow" and shell go " ok goodnight "

i totally respect and support her in any and all of the projects that are important for her and i expect the same exact same thing from her : its call unconditional love/acceptance - and in my head thats not a luxury : its a condition to be with me
even if ive never told her she knows damn well that this is the case.

THIS, ALL THIS, is tough love...why? cuz theres not a single guy out there that cannot find a solution to their problem that will leave them having a better life, not a single one of you
and the skills you learn from dealing with this will help you deal with a miriad of lifes range of problems and boost your overall EV

P.S. Superbad is a hell of a funny movie if your a dumbass kid like me [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Vinetou 09-01-2007 01:23 PM

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I heard Brian Townsend let his girlfriend because she didn't allow him to play poker. I look on that this way: if she doesn't like that you play poker, she doesn't respect you because poker is a part of your personality. This is your life and she has to accept it like you accept that she likes dancing, aerobic, whatever. If this is your job, then she has to respect that like you respect her job. Otherwise, she doesn't deserve you.

Also, she talks about her job with you, probably, so you should talk about poker with her too. It is normal. Poker is part of your life and she has to accept that.

I don't know why this is such a problem.

Pokerpun 09-03-2007 12:26 PM

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Can I say that some of us are "Pot- Committed" to our Girlfriends/wives either becuse of kids or financial ties.

But need to let off steam here about how our SO just does not get poker, and realize that it can be profitable - OK it may be that I could make more money in other ways of working other than poker, but I doubt if I would enjoy or feel as free as I do playing poker.

I wonder if some women just don't value money you earn at poker as much as they would money you earned at some dull job.

e.g This summer I was marking exam papers at effectively about the same rate of earn I get for Poker (and in poker there was the outside chance of a big win in a MTT) and while my GF was happy to put up with various inconveniences and time commitments while I marked the exam papers, she would often give me grief about playing too much poker.

OK there is less variance in Exam marking ;-) but I doubt it was that which needled her.

kolotoure 09-04-2007 08:54 PM

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Just talk about it with them about it. Thats what I did with the guy I'm dating atm. Why would you ever date someone who doesn't love you for who you are?

Snoman13 09-06-2007 12:39 AM

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Because they're good looking?

...Not a new concept..

silver book 09-14-2007 09:14 AM

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i'm sure its already been mentioned, but people since most people care about their status in society it makes sense that girls would want to date someone with a baller job i.e. not an online poker player. In my experience, girls like to have something to tell their friends about you, so give them something, anything, besides poker to talk about. Get a really part time job that you enjoy, or buy some stock or something. It won't hurt to do something besides poker.

Red Velvette 09-14-2007 09:36 AM

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My bf says I'm an 'addict' and that he wishes I would do 'anything else' besides play poker all the time.
I oughta start taking tuba lessons and practice every night when he gets home from work! *lol*


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