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So far from watching the first preseason game against the Ravens:

1)We can't run the ball for sh*t.
2)Didn't like Akers's missed FG because he says he hasn't been kicking well of late and the inconsistent holder doesn't help the cause and the new long snapper.
3)William "don't call me Peterson" James shouldn't be our Nickelback. I don't think he's supposed to be (Mikkel), but if there was a chance, he shouldn't.

Nonetheless, anything lower that 10 wins this season (barring injuries) will be a disappointment.

Prediction: 12-4, McNabb leading QB in yds, Westbrook leads NFC in yds/touch.

Last but not least,

<font color="green">E-A-G-L-E-S

EAGLES!!!</font>

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So far from watching the first preseason game against the Ravens:

1)We can't run the ball for sh*t.
2)Didn't like Akers's missed FG because he says he hasn't been kicking well of late and the inconsistent holder doesn't help the cause and the new long snapper.
3)William "don't call me Peterson" James shouldn't be our Nickelback. I don't think he's supposed to be (Mikkel), but if there was a chance, he shouldn't.

Nonetheless, anything lower that 10 wins this season (barring injuries) will be a disappointment.

Prediction: 12-4, McNabb leading QB in yds, Westbrook leads NFC in yds/touch.

Last but not least,

<font color="green">E-A-G-L-E-S

EAGLES!!!</font>

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There's a better chance of Bonds being clean than McShabb leading the league in passing yards and Westbrook in yards and TD's.

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Is this game on national TV tonight? I'd like to see Kolb in the 2nd half.

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So far from watching the first preseason game against the Ravens:

1)We can't run the ball for sh*t.
2)Didn't like Akers's missed FG because he says he hasn't been kicking well of late and the inconsistent holder doesn't help the cause and the new long snapper.
3)William "don't call me Peterson" James shouldn't be our Nickelback. I don't think he's supposed to be (Mikkel), but if there was a chance, he shouldn't.

Nonetheless, anything lower that 10 wins this season (barring injuries) will be a disappointment.

Prediction: 12-4, McNabb leading QB in yds, Westbrook leads NFC in yds/touch.

Last but not least,

<font color="green">E-A-G-L-E-S

EAGLES!!!</font>

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There's a better chance of Bonds being clean than McShabb leading the league in passing yards and Westbrook in yards and TD's.

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Giants fans really are delusional. McNabb is the third best quarterback in the NFL and best in the NFC. Westbrook is the third best back in the NFC. That doesn't mean either of those things will happen, but they are not in the least bit far-fetched.


James looked terrible this game. That said, he will be our nickel corner. I highly doubt Joselio Hansen beats him out. And Mikell is a safety, not a cornerback

I wouldn't worry about the running game. Our offensive line will come together by the start of the season.

I wasn't thrilled with the Akers' miss either, but the bad snap obviously threw him off. While Akers isn't automatic like he used to be, he's still a solid kicker. I agree, I would like to see more consistency this year though.

I thought Bunkley looked good in his limited action. Considine was all over the place, which is at least encouraging. Gaddis brought good help coverage on one play, which is a good sign. I'd really like to see hiim win the 4th safety job. Celek looked a lot better than I thought he would.

Overall, so far it's been very meh. But it's pre-season and the score obviously doesn't matter.

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I really wish he got his first snap in Philly, so I could listen to the smattering of boos. I really hope McNabb starts for us for another 6+ years.

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E - A - G - L - E - S
EAGLES!!!!

Couldn't catch the game today, we don't have TV yet and Sopcast wouldn't work. Ah well.

Started looking at DirecTV packages, apparently I need a land phone line for Sunday Ticket, wtf? If anyone has DirecTV/Sunday Ticket, please shoot me a message on AIM about what I need to do, thanks (sn is pokerfink).

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So far from watching the first preseason game against the Ravens:

1)We can't run the ball for sh*t.
2)Didn't like Akers's missed FG because he says he hasn't been kicking well of late and the inconsistent holder doesn't help the cause and the new long snapper.
3)William "don't call me Peterson" James shouldn't be our Nickelback. I don't think he's supposed to be (Mikkel), but if there was a chance, he shouldn't.

Nonetheless, anything lower that 10 wins this season (barring injuries) will be a disappointment.

Prediction: 12-4, McNabb leading QB in yds, Westbrook leads NFC in yds/touch.

Last but not least,

<font color="green">E-A-G-L-E-S

EAGLES!!!</font>

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There's a better chance of Bonds being clean than McShabb leading the league in passing yards and Westbrook in yards and TD's.

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Giants fans really are delusional. McNabb is the third best quarterback in the NFL and best in the NFC. Westbrook is the third best back in the NFC. That doesn't mean either of those things will happen, but they are not in the least bit far-fetched.


James looked terrible this game. That said, he will be our nickel corner. I highly doubt Joselio Hansen beats him out. And Mikell is a safety, not a cornerback

I wouldn't worry about the running game. Our offensive line will come together by the start of the season.

I wasn't thrilled with the Akers' miss either, but the bad snap obviously threw him off. While Akers isn't automatic like he used to be, he's still a solid kicker. I agree, I would like to see more consistency this year though.

I thought Bunkley looked good in his limited action. Considine was all over the place, which is at least encouraging. Gaddis brought good help coverage on one play, which is a good sign. I'd really like to see hiim win the 4th safety job. Celek looked a lot better than I thought he would.

Overall, so far it's been very meh. But it's pre-season and the score obviously doesn't matter.

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I love how just assumed I was a Giants fan. (You are right, but that's besides the point. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

I know McNabb is a good QB. I've always liked him. But 1/2 you Philly fans were ready to throw him under the bus when TO was bitching.

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So far from watching the first preseason game against the Ravens:

1)We can't run the ball for sh*t.
2)Didn't like Akers's missed FG because he says he hasn't been kicking well of late and the inconsistent holder doesn't help the cause and the new long snapper.
3)William "don't call me Peterson" James shouldn't be our Nickelback. I don't think he's supposed to be (Mikkel), but if there was a chance, he shouldn't.

Nonetheless, anything lower that 10 wins this season (barring injuries) will be a disappointment.

Prediction: 12-4, McNabb leading QB in yds, Westbrook leads NFC in yds/touch.

Last but not least,

<font color="green">E-A-G-L-E-S

EAGLES!!!</font>

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There's a better chance of Bonds being clean than Westbrook in yards and TD's.

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i said yards per touch (yds/touch) not touchdowns and yds

how's eli?

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I love how just assumed I was a Giants fan. (You are right, but that's besides the point. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

I know McNabb is a good QB. I've always liked him. But 1/2 you Philly fans were ready to throw him under the bus when TO was bitching.

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I have always been a big supporter of McNabb through everything. That said, you're right, too many people in Philadelphia jump on McNabb at every opportunity. I wouldn't say that it's 50%, but it is a very vocal group.

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So far from watching the first preseason game against the Ravens:

1)We can't run the ball for sh*t.
2)Didn't like Akers's missed FG because he says he hasn't been kicking well of late and the inconsistent holder doesn't help the cause and the new long snapper.
3)William "don't call me Peterson" James shouldn't be our Nickelback. I don't think he's supposed to be (Mikkel), but if there was a chance, he shouldn't.

Nonetheless, anything lower that 10 wins this season (barring injuries) will be a disappointment.

Prediction: 12-4, McNabb leading QB in yds, Westbrook leads NFC in yds/touch.

Last but not least,

<font color="green">E-A-G-L-E-S

EAGLES!!!</font>

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There's a better chance of Bonds being clean than Westbrook in yards and TD's.

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i said yards per touch (yds/touch) not touchdowns and yds

how's eli?

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He's looking awesome! I fully expect at least 15 TD's and a 50% completion %. (INT's don't count.)

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I love how just assumed I was a Giants fan. (You are right, but that's besides the point. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

I know McNabb is a good QB. I've always liked him. But 1/2 you Philly fans were ready to throw him under the bus when TO was bitching.

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I have always been a big supporter of McNabb through everything. That said, you're right, too many people in Philadelphia jump on McNabb at every opportunity. I wouldn't say that it's 50%, but it is a very vocal group.

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In all seriousness, why is that? I never understood it. It seems like nothing he does is good enough. It was the same thing w/ Bobby Abreu. I'm a Yankee fan, I can't understand how people hated him in Philly.

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I love how just assumed I was a Giants fan. (You are right, but that's besides the point. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

I know McNabb is a good QB. I've always liked him. But 1/2 you Philly fans were ready to throw him under the bus when TO was bitching.

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I have always been a big supporter of McNabb through everything. That said, you're right, too many people in Philadelphia jump on McNabb at every opportunity. I wouldn't say that it's 50%, but it is a very vocal group.

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In all seriousness, why is that? I never understood it. It seems like nothing he does is good enough. It was the same thing w/ Bobby Abreu. I'm a Yankee fan, I can't understand how people hated him in Philly.

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I never understood that one either. Again, it's only like 20% of fans, but they are always the most vocal ones.

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I really wish he got his first snap in Philly, so I could listen to the smattering of boos. I really hope McNabb starts for us for another 6+ years.

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I don't understand the point of this post. First of all, it isn't Kolb's fault he got drafted "high". Second of all, you people booed McNabb on draft day and he's fukin awesome. Third of all, whether or not McNabb is one of the best QB's in the league, you should still hope to develop a top-notch backup (or maybe you don't remember as far back as 2006?). Fourth of all, if McNabb stays healthy and plays at this level for the next 6 years, sure, he should start. But if Kolb (or anyone else) does better at some point, you should want the best option in there.

But good post. Just loaded with pertinent information.

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In all seriousness, why is that? I never understood it. It seems like nothing he does is good enough. It was the same thing w/ Bobby Abreu. I'm a Yankee fan, I can't understand how people hated him in Philly.

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Philadelphia is a very blue collar, hard working town that loves hard working athletes. For all his talent, Abreu is a very relaxed, seemingly effortless player. He is "lazy" in the field. These things did not endear him to the fans. Burrell has the same problem, and to a lesser degree, McNabb does as well. McNabb is very relaxed, joking around on the field, smiling after interceptions, etc.

On the flip side, Philly LOVED Allen Iverson because he was a little guy who played his heart out every night. Ditto guys like John LeClair, Jeff Garcia, Rick Tochett, etc. Guys who just tried so hard and got every ounce of production from their talent.

I'm not saying McNabb, Burrell, etc. don't try hard; they just have an effortless, carefree look to the way they play.

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Edit - talked about McNabb/Abreyu/Burrell, Fink summed it up better

Onto football though. Iggle's fans, I wouldn't really worry about the running game too much. If you stick to it you'll have success, barring injuries you have one of the best lines in the league. My main concern would be Reid going pass happy once he has his boy back

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I really wish he got his first snap in Philly, so I could listen to the smattering of boos. I really hope McNabb starts for us for another 6+ years.

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I don't understand the point of this post. First of all, it isn't Kolb's fault he got drafted "high". Second of all, you people booed McNabb on draft day and he's fukin awesome. Third of all, whether or not McNabb is one of the best QB's in the league, you should still hope to develop a top-notch backup (or maybe you don't remember as far back as 2006?). Fourth of all, if McNabb stays healthy and plays at this level for the next 6 years, sure, he should start. But if Kolb (or anyone else) does better at some point, you should want the best option in there.

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First of all, I never booed the McNabb selection. Second of all, I don't hate Kolb, I'm just sick of all the McNabb haters. He's been one of the best quarterbacks of the past decade, and it's tiring for people not to appreciate that and just bash the guy. Obviously I want Kolb to develop into a good back-up (and eventually a good starter).

The local media especially has a tendency to trash McNabb and claim that the majority of fans don't support him. That isn't at all true. I'd say maybe 15-20% are anti-McNabb. To see Kolb booed would just be a personal victory.

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eagles 8-1 to win nfc. book it.

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eagles 8-1 to win nfc. book it.

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8-1? Where can I bet on this? That line is a joke.

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8-1? Where can I bet on this? That line is a joke.

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I really wish he got his first snap in Philly, so I could listen to the smattering of boos. I really hope McNabb starts for us for another 6+ years.

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I don't understand the point of this post. First of all, it isn't Kolb's fault he got drafted "high". Second of all, you people booed McNabb on draft day and he's fukin awesome. Third of all, whether or not McNabb is one of the best QB's in the league, you should still hope to develop a top-notch backup (or maybe you don't remember as far back as 2006?). Fourth of all, if McNabb stays healthy and plays at this level for the next 6 years, sure, he should start. But if Kolb (or anyone else) does better at some point, you should want the best option in there.

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First of all, I never booed the McNabb selection. Second of all, I don't hate Kolb, I'm just sick of all the McNabb haters. He's been one of the best quarterbacks of the past decade, and it's tiring for people not to appreciate that and just bash the guy. Obviously I want Kolb to develop into a good back-up (and eventually a good starter).

The local media especially has a tendency to trash McNabb and claim that the majority of fans don't support him. That isn't at all true. I'd say maybe 15-20% are anti-McNabb. To see Kolb booed would just be a personal victory.

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When the hell did I trash McNabb? He's probably my favorite QB in the NFL and I'm a Texans fan. All I said was I wanted to see Kolb play tonight (he's from my alma mater), and McNabb isn't even touching the ball tonight so how the hell do you misconstrue that as meaning I hate McNabb???

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I really wish he got his first snap in Philly, so I could listen to the smattering of boos. I really hope McNabb starts for us for another 6+ years.

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I don't understand the point of this post. First of all, it isn't Kolb's fault he got drafted "high". Second of all, you people booed McNabb on draft day and he's fukin awesome. Third of all, whether or not McNabb is one of the best QB's in the league, you should still hope to develop a top-notch backup (or maybe you don't remember as far back as 2006?). Fourth of all, if McNabb stays healthy and plays at this level for the next 6 years, sure, he should start. But if Kolb (or anyone else) does better at some point, you should want the best option in there.

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First of all, I never booed the McNabb selection. Second of all, I don't hate Kolb, I'm just sick of all the McNabb haters. He's been one of the best quarterbacks of the past decade, and it's tiring for people not to appreciate that and just bash the guy. Obviously I want Kolb to develop into a good back-up (and eventually a good starter).

The local media especially has a tendency to trash McNabb and claim that the majority of fans don't support him. That isn't at all true. I'd say maybe 15-20% are anti-McNabb. To see Kolb booed would just be a personal victory.

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When the hell did I trash McNabb? He's probably my favorite QB in the NFL and I'm a Texans fan. All I said was I wanted to see Kolb play tonight (he's from my alma mater), and McNabb isn't even touching the ball tonight so how the hell do you misconstrue that as meaning I hate McNabb???

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Again I'm terrible at expressing myself. I didn't mean you were in the least bit. That's not what I was saying. Just that there's so much of it in Philly that I'm tired of it. I just wanted to see Kolb get booed so maybe the media realizes that the large majority of the city loves McNabb.

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I think Kolb booing would be construed as booing the Eagles management, not cheering McNabb.

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TE Celeck out of U Cincy has been really good tonight

good replacement for LJ Smith if/when he goes down again with his injury problems

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Haven't really heard much, but what do you guys expect out of Kearse? Is he coming in healthy? If not, I think your line could struggle like last year dealing with fatigue most of the year. They had a really nice rotation going at the beginning of last year before he went down

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Kearse is healthy but underweight. He dropped ~20 pounds during rehab. Whether he will be back up to playing weight by September remains to be seen.

At this point, Kearse is just a cog. The Eagles have fantastic depth on the defensive line, so no one (including Kearse) has to be an everydown player.

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Sounds like Kolb played pretty well for his first outing with the third-team O. A couple small foul-ups, but no INT's and he got a scramble or two in there for positive yardage. Sounds like he made some nice, tight, crisp throws too.

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mcnabb is so overrated, he doesnt run as much anymore and aside from the year he had TO, hes never completed 60% of his passes. last year was a pretty sick run before he went down, but when ur qb has 18 tds to only 6 pics in 10 games and youre team is only 5-5, clearly something is wrong...

however a good healthy year from mcnabb can prove me wrong
and btw id take bulger over mcnabb

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First of all, I never booed the McNabb selection. Second of all, I don't hate Kolb, I'm just sick of all the McNabb haters. He's been one of the best quarterbacks of the past decade, and it's tiring for people not to appreciate that and just bash the guy. Obviously I want Kolb to develop into a good back-up (and eventually a good starter).

The local media especially has a tendency to trash McNabb and claim that the majority of fans don't support him. That isn't at all true. I'd say maybe 15-20% are anti-McNabb. To see Kolb booed would just be a personal victory.


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???

Marc Bulger and Drew Brees say hello.

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would that something happen to be his teammates and variance? no?

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I think Kolb booing would be construed as booing the Eagles management, not cheering McNabb.

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Whatever. Kolb is a very good QB, despite what you hear on ESPN and from Mel Kiper.

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http://images.sportsline.com/u/photo...img9815269.jpg
how many games is the over/under for this to happen?

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Marc Bulger and Drew Brees say hello.

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I'd tell Marc to sit down and Drew Brees is close IMO.

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Marc Bulger and Drew Brees say hello.

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I'd tell Marc to sit down and Drew Brees is close IMO.

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marc bulger had just one interception halfway through last season...also clearly including injuries in all this, mcnabb hasnt played a full season in 2 years. mcnabb is not better than bulger or brees, accuracy over thrw power always

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I like McNabb a lot, but you have to admit that the Eagles have played surprisingly well without him when hes injured. Either their backups are great or McNabb maybe isn't as good as we all think.

Oh and regardless of that, Drew Brees needs to be in that conversation.

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I like McNabb a lot, but you have to admit that the Eagles have played surprisingly well without him when hes injured. Either their backups are great or McNabb maybe isn't as good as we all think.

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Yeah, that 2005 sure was a banner year for the Eagles.

Seriously though, in 2002 (AJ Feeley), the team was still carried by the defense. That was the last year the Eagles had a better defense than offense. McNabb and the offense made the leap in 2003, and have been better than the defense every year since except the irrelevant 2005 season that never happened. McNabb was good back in 2002, but not nearly as good as he is now, and the defense carried AJ.

Last year, Garcia inherited a really, really good team that was just running bad under McNabb. Garcia played great, sure, but any moderately good quarterback could have won a bunch of games with that team.

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Brees is right there with Bulger and McNabb. Bulger really had a great year last year, and McNabb was having a great year till...yeah. They're some order of 1-2-3 in the NFC, and there's a solid dropoff after them until Hasselbeck.

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I don't understand the point of this post. First of all, it isn't Kolb's fault he got drafted "high". Second of all, you people booed McNabb on draft day and he's fukin awesome. Third of all, whether or not McNabb is one of the best QB's in the league, you should still hope to develop a top-notch backup (or maybe you don't remember as far back as 2006?). Fourth of all, if McNabb stays healthy and plays at this level for the next 6 years, sure, he should start. But if Kolb (or anyone else) does better at some point, you should want the best option in there.

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90% of Philly fans are just idiots I've found. They're ridiculous homers on one hand, and then on the other hand they berate their own players even when its clear that their booing is hurting their team. There are a few exceptions, including a few very good posters on this board that are Philly fans.

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i have to say also my initial knock last season against mcnabb was he had no one to throw to after TO left. Then they got stallworth. now stallworth is gone, and the eagles didnt even draft a WR. They picked up kevin curtis who def has potential, but is he better than a #2 or #3 receiver? and is reggie brown really the number 1 despite having just 800 yards in his best year?

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I like McNabb a lot, but you have to admit that the Eagles have played surprisingly well without him when hes injured. Either their backups are great or McNabb maybe isn't as good as we all think.

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Yeah, that 2005 sure was a banner year for the Eagles.

Seriously though, in 2002 (AJ Feeley), the team was still carried by the defense. That was the last year the Eagles had a better defense than offense. McNabb and the offense made the leap in 2003, and have been better than the defense every year since except the irrelevant 2005 season that never happened. McNabb was good back in 2002, but not nearly as good as he is now, and the defense carried AJ.

Last year, Garcia inherited a really, really good team that was just running bad under McNabb. Garcia played great, sure, but any moderately good quarterback could have won a bunch of games with that team.

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Oh and regardless of that, Drew Brees needs to be in that conversation.

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Brees is right there with Bulger and McNabb. Bulger really had a great year last year, and McNabb was having a great year till...yeah. They're some order of 1-2-3 in the NFC, and there's a solid dropoff after them until Hasselbeck.

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nfl.com game logs only go back to 2001, so I must start the analysis there....

2001- McNabb played all 16 games and went 11-5

2002- Eagles went 7-3 with McNabb. They then went 5-1 without McNabb(and the loss was in week 17 which may have been meaningless...I'm not sure)

2003- McNabb played every game and went 12-4

2004- McNabb played 15 games and went 13-2. They lost the one game he didn't play.

2005- McNabb played 9 games and went 4-5. They went 2-5 without him.

2006- McNabb played 10 games and went 5-5. They went 5-1 wihtout him.

So basically there were 3 seasons in which McNabb missed significant time: 2002, 2005, and 2006. In those years they went 16-13 with him and 12-7 without him.

Bottom line: The Eagles have shown virtually no change record wise when playing with Mcnabb when compared to playing without him. Furthermore, there is a significant sample size in these seasons(29 games with him and 19 without him) that it can't be deemed short term luck totally.

With all that said, I like him a lot both as a player and a person and would love to have him on any of my teams.

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i have to say also my initial knock last season against mcnabb was he had no one to throw to after TO left. Then they got stallworth. now stallworth is gone, and the eagles didnt even draft a WR. They picked up kevin curtis who def has potential, but is he better than a #2 or #3 receiver? and is reggie brown really the number 1 despite having just 800 yards in his best year?

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Their WR are a good margin better than the James Thrash/Todd Pinkston years. Reggie Brown has improved each of the last 2 years. I don't really know much about Curtis other than his speed was a 96 on madden last year so he must be fast. Hank Baskett had a good year for an undrafted rookie. Westbrook is one of the best pass catching RBs in the league as well.