NL 50 AA confusing spot
 

Villian hasn't done anything like this before
My image on this table is aggressive

Villians stats are: 27/15/3

Really don't know what villian is doing this with.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $35.30
BB: $50.00
UTG: $152.05
MP: $55.65
CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $122.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, 2 folds, MP calls $2.50, CO calls $2.50

Flop: ($9.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets all-in for $52.65</font>, Co folds Hero?

Re: NL 50 AA confusing spot
 

I call this pretty easily. Villain could have so much here, but unlikely TT or 99 (he would've raised those PF). This is usually a draw or something like AT.

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I would probably put him on a set of fives and his bet trying to push out any FD or OESD. Could be stealing but with those stats and an appropriate sample size I doubt it.

I would scream a profanity and reluctantly fold here even though I suspect you may be ahead. I just do not see a tight player pushing with TP or a draw here.

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This guy's VPIP is 27%, so he's hardly tight. I think it's too narrow to put him on exactly 55 and fold. 55 is probably the only hand in his range that he beats us with in this spot, but there are several other hands that put us ahead. Too weak to fold here, IMO. You're getting +odds with a hand that is likely ahead.

Re: NL 50 AA confusing spot
 

this is a call....could easily be a misclick.

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What happened to the CO?

It's close but it's a call.

Re: NL 50 AA confusing spot
 

he folded

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This guy's VPIP is 27%, so he's hardly tight. I think it's too narrow to put him on exactly 55 and fold. 55 is probably the only hand in his range that he beats us with in this spot, but there are several other hands that put us ahead. Too weak to fold here, IMO. You're getting +odds with a hand that is likely ahead.

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I would definitely include T9 as part of villain's range. This is exactly the kind of play I've seen a lot of times at NL50 on Stars with T9 or equivalent.

The board is very drawy, so you are ahead of a lot of hands. Do you have any more reads on villain? Is he capable of playing a set fast? What about your history? I usually see people shove into me with draws after I've been getting them to fold to my c-bets a lot - partially out of frustration and partially because they think they have good FE since they aren't giving me a lot of credit for a hand.

So with good reads I think this is a call. Without any reads it's close and I'd lean towards fold.

If you're folding here, would you call with the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?

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Villian hasn't done anything like this before

Flop: ($9.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets all-in for $52.65</font>, Co folds Hero?

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Call. It's wierd when it happens but you will see all kinds of flush draws, top pairs etc here. If he does this with a monster the time you have an overpair then fair play to him and make a note.

Re: NL 50 AA confusing spot
 

no real reads so far villian hasn't been out of line so far.

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NOTE TO SELF: When flopping a monster against a 2+2er... way overbet. Just openpush on the flop. They sure as heck aren't folding a pair of aces.

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Kurto: this is the first time he has done this and AA should only be a tiny part of our range pf.

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I honestly find it difficult to put him on any kind of range with that open shove, as I can't think of what plays preflop like he did and then open shoves, especially if your image is aggressive. I wouldn't be able to fold this, I don't think.

Re: NL 50 AA confusing spot
 

Hi.

Our range is irrelevent. What we've learned is that when we do have aces, we're willing to get the bulk of our stack in postflop when its quite questionable that one pair is good.

I understand the guys never done this. But I think his range for open pushing probably has to be heavily weighted to monsters with big draws taken into consideration.

Against a maniac who appears to bluff a lot, I call here quite a bit. But then these kinds of bets aren't so abnormal for a maniac.

I think the possibilities are:
(1) misclick - personally, I give this little weight
(2) 2 pair/sets - decent chance (we're far behind)
(3) monster draw (we're possibly a dog)
(4) regular ol flush draw (we're in decent shape - but do we expect him to play a bare flush draw this way?)
(5) outright bluff - is he that kind of player?

I could be wrong but I think the forum is overvaluing an overpair here.

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This is what I stoved:
J3 o is the bluff

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

37,620 games 0.005 secs 7,524,000 games/sec

Board: Ts 9c 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.910% 53.91% 00.00% 20281 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 46.090% 46.09% 00.00% 17339 0.00 { TT-99, 55, AsKs, ATs, T9s, 8s6s, ATo, J3o, T9o }

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How are picking that range? If he's not a bluffing maniac, why do you suppose that he's suddenly putting $50 into a $9 pot with TPTK?

If that range is realistic, then its a good call. But I think unless its a misclick, this player isn't characterized as overplaying 1 pair. So I think that handrange is a little too broad.

Where is JsQs? or 7s8s? (both of those are 15 outs for him)

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this is without bluffs and TPTK hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

21,780 games 0.005 secs 4,356,000 games/sec

Board: Ts 5s 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.044% 23.04% 00.00% 5019 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 76.956% 76.96% 00.00% 16761 0.00 { TT-99, 55, AsKs, QsJs, T9s, 8s7s, 8s6s, T9o }


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