Lost My Job, Plan on playing at canterbury
 

so i lost my job last week (Im an electronics technician}

And now i think i will play at canterbury for the time being. My experiences there have been amazing i have played 21 times there in the last 4 months and never had a losing session. I play 4/8 lhe and i cant believe how much easier it is than online. 2 years ago i was doing well online but now i cant seem to win so I will be at cbury. Maybe i will see Schnieds again lol. So if anyone plays at Cbury can you tell me how the 6/12 plays compared to the 4/8 thx

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so i lost my job last week (Im an electronics technician}

And now i think i will play at canterbury for the time being. My experiences there have been amazing i have played 21 times there in the last 4 months and never had a losing session. I play 4/8 lhe and i cant believe how much easier it is than online. 2 years ago i was doing well online but now i cant seem to win so I will be at cbury. Maybe i will see Schnieds again lol. So if anyone plays at Cbury can you tell me how the 6/12 plays compared to the 4/8 thx

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Quck question. You don't want to get an interm job(like a b.s. job) to hold you over for a bit while you play some cards? You are going to be playing for a living now so you'll be pushing a lot harder to make money. I myself have played 4/8 at a bunch of casinos and its not that hard and even considered a beginners game. You'll have to play minimum 8/16-10/20 LHE to make bare minimum standards if you have a mortgage/ rent to pay.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month not too much but i am looking for a job also . i think that from what i have seen this is a very modest amount and should be no problem at 4/8 if i play fri,sat, and mebbe some thursdays and sundays

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so i lost my job last week (Im an electronics technician}

And now i think i will play at canterbury for the time being. My experiences there have been amazing i have played 21 times there in the last 4 months and never had a losing session. I play 4/8 lhe and i cant believe how much easier it is than online. 2 years ago i was doing well online but now i cant seem to win so I will be at cbury. Maybe i will see Schnieds again lol. So if anyone plays at Cbury can you tell me how the 6/12 plays compared to the 4/8 thx

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You cannot make a living playing live 4/8. Also your small sample size is only proof that you have run well. 21 sessions is nothing unless you played 12 hrs a session and even then I wouldnt believe you. Trust me do not do this, unless you are simultaneously looking for another job.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month not too much but i am looking for a job also . i think that from what i have seen this is a very modest amount and should be no problem at 4/8 if i play fri,sat, and mebbe some thursdays and sundays

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What about getting a job that pays you $150 every two weeks? Like a Wal Mart or something(not trying to play you). How big is your bankroll too? Can it cover travelling expenses? Do you play for a couple of hours? Some times I'll play limit, get cracked on a hand and will have to work a table for hours up hours. Same for every form of poker, but this is especially true when you play live. There's going to be times you don't get a hand for hours. The sessions that you played were just for fun and a little extra cash. Now you are playing for the real thing. Much different. Compeitition at 6/12 is much harder too. You ever tried higher than 4/8 just to dable? Higher than 6/12 you'll be playing with vultures. Im just saying though. I never seen you play. You can be good, so I guess you got to do what you got to do. I'd get a job. Go buy some houses in Minn and turn a profit and do poker on the side.

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variance is a bitch, at any limit. keep this in mind, unless you got a big bank roll.

though it might fun for a while if you can collect unemployment, and supplement while playing poker.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month

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How is this possible?
I am currently working a project - so I got a temp apt.

Rent (heat, water paid) - $410
Electric - $20
Cable/internet - $95
Groceries - $75
Gas for car - $80

So living in a dump, no entertainment, no nothing, I am over $600 a month, not to mention insurance or anything like that.

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Never played 6/12 there. Most people I know are either grinding out at 4/8 hoping for a share of the jackpot or are gambling at 8/16. The 15/30 game is nice if you arent there with the local wannabe pros. The 30/60 can be really nice depending on the day. I've played w some MN Vikings that don't care about money at all and some people who own auto dealerships.If you can afford a buyin and ride out the blinds you are guarenteed a good shot.

But to be honest Arizona casinos would be easier to beat with all the retirement income. Minnesota has become a breeding ground for wannabes who cant make it anywhere else and teenagers who watch it on the tv. Your success at the lower levels is likely due to this, and as you move up, all you do is compete with the other 6 sharks at the table who are grinding out their lunch.

Besides, Cantebury cocktail waitresses are ugly and being there more than 4 hours a day sucks the life out of you.

Go spend a week at turtle lake and see how you like it.

But going straight into CP with such a positive expectation will leave you frustrated when you hit the wall and desperate. Your luck might be due to the fact that you weren't depending on each bet for your income. When you are you think more about it and your play will definietely change.

Good luck in your decision. I'll steer cleer of the 6/12, seems they have a great white on the hunt now.

Axe

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month

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How is this possible?
I am currently working a project - so I got a temp apt.

Rent (heat, water paid) - $410
Electric - $20
Cable/internet - $95
Groceries - $75
Gas for car - $80

So living in a dump, no entertainment, no nothing, I am over $600 a month, not to mention insurance or anything like that.

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Perhaps he lives at home?

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i have roomates and thats why i only need about 300 a month and ive averaged 136$ per session (about 4-5 hrs avg some 14 hr marathons) but the competition is so soft i feel i could easily make 1500-2000 a month.

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i have roomates and thats why i only need about 300 a month and ive averaged 136$ per session (about 4-5 hrs avg some 14 hr marathons) but the competition is so soft i feel i could easily make 1500-2000 a month.

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Phil Ivey couldnt sustain that winrate my friend. Im not trying to be mean, but I have run into many short term running goods who have done the same thing as you and are now busto. Please just listen to me, I understand this is an internet forum but you cannot make a living playing 4/8. No one can. You are basing your decision off a sample size that is worthless.

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i have roomates and thats why i only need about 300 a month and ive averaged 136$ per session (about 4-5 hrs avg some 14 hr marathons) but the competition is so soft i feel i could easily make 1500-2000 a month.

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your sample size is way too small.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month

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Sometimes I wonder why I've chosen to live in New York.

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Since I'm going to be there for the first time in like 3 years tomorrow, I too was wondering what the 6/12 looks like - is it a nitfest?

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so i lost my job last week (Im an electronics technician}

And now i think i will play at canterbury for the time being. My experiences there have been amazing i have played 21 times there in the last 4 months and never had a losing session. I play 4/8 lhe and i cant believe how much easier it is than online. 2 years ago i was doing well online but now i cant seem to win so I will be at cbury. Maybe i will see Schnieds again lol. So if anyone plays at Cbury can you tell me how the 6/12 plays compared to the 4/8 thx

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This post is hilarious in so many ways. When is someone going to break it to the guy that he is on a heater and is going to crash and burn fairly soon? The clues are right their under our noses.

Sorry melac, I am 90% positive your not a winning player now, your just experiencing variance. I know nobody likes to hear this and it offends so many people, but someone has to be the voice of reason here. Get a job.... playing 4/8 while your on a heater wont pay the bills, and when you hit the cooler (as you will for sure because you don't seem to realize your on a heater, a sign of an inexperienced player) its gonna hurt hard if you don't have a way to support yourself financially.

sorry to be so rough... consider it tough love. I hate to see young guys like yourself get over your head, its so tragic.

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Since I'm going to be there for the first time in like 3 years tomorrow, I too was wondering what the 6/12 looks like - is it a nitfest?

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No it is an awesome game. Very loose very passive. Can be tighter during the day but is generally extremely soft.

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OK, just curious about some things. I also think trying to go pro is probably not the best idea at this time for the OP, but I think you guys are coming down too hard. I have heard that 2 BB / hour is what a really good player should make it a low limit game. I have played a decent of 4/8 poker (and some 6/12) SSHE style, while travelling mostly in CA, and while of course I have ups and downs, I don't make many big mistakes and I think I am easily beating the tables for $16/hour.

$16/hour happens to be exactly what I make in my regular full time job (and I pay taxes on it, which one could probably get away without doing playing poker). I own a house and pay a mortgage which is not cheap (I do also have a roommate who rents a room from me to help cover expenses). I don't spend much money on anything other than necessities. I do believe it would be possible for someone to earn a living at the $4/$8 tables I have played at. Of course, I have played mostly at night, and mostly on the weekends, when I assume the games are softer. If someone is willing to put in a lot of hours and work during the times that most people are off work (evenings/weekends) I think it would be possible. Certainly would be at the $6/$12 games I have played in CA, where the competition is really no better than at the $4/$8.

Or is the 2 BB/hour figure really inflated? I actually have done better than that, but I figured that part of it is variance. Anyone know how much Miller made when he was playing low limit tables? I don't rememeber if SSHE gives a figure.

Rob

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Since I'm going to be there for the first time in like 3 years tomorrow, I too was wondering what the 6/12 looks like - is it a nitfest?

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No it is an awesome game. Very loose very passive. Can be tighter during the day but is generally extremely soft.

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Thanks. Also, for my money you have one of the top 5 avatars on this site. Yours and Bakes' are the only two I pause and watch every time.

<----easily amused, Oooh shiny!

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Factor in all the expenses associated with going to the casino such as gas, food while there tipping, etc not to mention rake and jpdrop. and you might make like 9 an hr at 4/8 if you are awesome.

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OK, just curious about some things. I also think trying to go pro is probably not the best idea at this time for the OP, but I think you guys are coming down too hard. I have heard that 2 BB / hour is what a really good player should make it a low limit game. I have played a decent of 4/8 poker (and some 6/12) SSHE style, while travelling mostly in CA, and while of course I have ups and downs, I don't make many big mistakes and I think I am easily beating the tables for $16/hour.

$16/hour happens to be exactly what I make in my regular full time job (and I pay taxes on it, which one could probably get away without doing playing poker). I own a house and pay a mortgage which is not cheap (I do also have a roommate who rents a room from me to help cover expenses). I don't spend much money on anything other than necessities. I do believe it would be possible for someone to earn a living at the $4/$8 tables I have played at. Of course, I have played mostly at night, and mostly on the weekends, when I assume the games are softer. If someone is willing to put in a lot of hours and work during the times that most people are off work (evenings/weekends) I think it would be possible. Certainly would be at the $6/$12 games I have played in CA, where the competition is really no better than at the $4/$8.

Or is the 2 BB/hour figure really inflated? I actually have done better than that, but I figured that part of it is variance. Anyone know how much Miller made when he was playing low limit tables? I don't rememeber if SSHE gives a figure.

Rob

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I don't see how you are going to make a living playing 4/8 LHE. Maybe try 2/5 NLH or maybe 8/16 LHE if you really want to stop working and your bills are that low. I played 4/8 in vegas and avg something around $75-100 per 4/8 limit game. Played like 4-6 hours per session. If I were to say I'm going to stop working my job, which to play poker now and only play 4/8, thats nuts. From what I read he was playing for fun, a little side money. When you start playing for a living you are going to go nuts if you don't do as well. Your going to put him in the psychology forum. While $16 an hour doesn't seem that bad a win rate, I personally don't think its enough to walk away from work. Also need to know how much of a bankroll he has? From the competition out there now and the way games are I'd say if you want to make some good money while not working play 10/20 LHE minimum or at least 2/5-5/10 NLH. [censored] if you want to make some real money get down with this PLO like Im doing. ***Take PLO with caution due to high variance***

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all the expenses associated with going to the casino such as gas, food while there

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Are these not expenses at any job?

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yes, but Cbury is usually a long commute rom any part of town and that along with tipping, rake, etc. need to be considered.

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Of course everyone has to pay the rake, etc. Commuting, other expenses, sure (but I have those in my regular job too). All things considered, I think I make about the same amount per hour in a good 4/8 LHE game as I do at my regular job, without paying taxes. (And before you ask, I have no vacation/benefits at my regular job either). I am pretty much certain I could make better money playing 6/2 LHE in CA casinos than I do in my regular job; if I lived there already I might consider trying, at least if I had lost my regular job as has the OP.

Of course I don't know how the games are in MN, but if you guys have not played in CA, you probably don't know how good the games are there. Way better than the games I found on my one trip to Vegas.

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This post is hilarious in so many ways. When is someone going to break it to the guy that he is on a heater and is going to crash and burn fairly soon? The clues are right their under our noses.

Sorry melac, I am 90% positive your not a winning player now, your just experiencing variance.

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TT, I have read some of your posts and respect what you have to say, but how can you be 90% sure the OP is not a winning player? Sure, he can probably not keep up the rate of return he has quoted, but not a winning player?!? Again, if these games are at all similar to the 4/8 games in CA - the players there are so bad that I find it difficult to believe anyone really trying to play well would _not_ be a winning player to at least a small degree.
I think I could have beat these games easily on general poker sense alone with a little experience, and after reading a lot of poker literature, especially SSHE, I kill the games. I honestly think the average fairly intelligent person who does nothing more than study SSHE and brush up with it occasionally between sessions can easily make a profit at these tables.

Rob

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Phil Ivey couldnt sustain that winrate my friend.

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Sure he could.

At 4/8, 1BB per hour X 10 hours per day X 25 days per month = $2,000 per month. No sweat. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

On the other hand, I think I’d rather be a part-time Manure Removal Specialist at the Minnesota zoo than spend 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, playing 4/8.

As for the OP’s situation, TT said it all.

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At 4/8, 1BB per hour X 10 hours per day X 25 days per month = $2,000 per month. No sweat.

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I'd make that alone on a investment property. Start investing your money, get a job and gradually work up the professional mentality with poker. That's my plan, but I guess spontaneous thinking works for others too.

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This post is hilarious in so many ways. When is someone going to break it to the guy that he is on a heater and is going to crash and burn fairly soon? The clues are right their under our noses.

Sorry melac, I am 90% positive your not a winning player now, your just experiencing variance.

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TT, I have read some of your posts and respect what you have to say, but how can you be 90% sure the OP is not a winning player? Sure, he can probably not keep up the rate of return he has quoted, but not a winning player?!? Again, if these games are at all similar to the 4/8 games in CA - the players there are so bad that I find it difficult to believe anyone really trying to play well would _not_ be a winning player to at least a small degree.
I think I could have beat these games easily on general poker sense alone with a little experience, and after reading a lot of poker literature, especially SSHE, I kill the games. I honestly think the average fairly intelligent person who does nothing more than study SSHE and brush up with it occasionally between sessions can easily make a profit at these tables.

Rob

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Sorry Rob, I dont care to get into that discussion because its inflammatory in nature, and thats not the motive of my post. I don't know how to explain why I feel this without offending someone, and thats not my intention.

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4/8 is beatable almost everywhere for 2bb/hour if your a decent player. Good players can squeeze 3bb/hour out of most(4/8) games I believe.

I JUST GOT SENTENCED TO 25 YEARS TO LIFE!!!! ANY GOOD PRISON GAMES?
 

I am 62 years old. I have to report for my sentence at Lewisburg, PA on June 25th.

I figure I will finish out my poker career while I'm still free by playing $2/$2 at the Hardrock Seminole in Hollywood, Florida until then. I figure it will get me prepared for the 2cigarette/4cigarette game at Lewisburg.

Does anybody know if a cigarette game plays looser (no pun intended) since the cigarette is still the preferred form of currency in the federal prison system? I figure I will turn my entire theft of the $30 million of clients money I allegedly embezzled into cartons of Marlboro Reds (or should it be Newports?), so I will have the required bankroll for this game. At that level would I be able to withhstand the variance of this game with only 3 million cartons on reserve in my commissary?

I still intend to practice securities law (without a license) in prison so TT can't say my life is tragic since I still have a job other than finishing license plates.

I may put in for a prison transfer if they have a decent 2cent/4cent no-limit game at Levenworth. Please let me know if Folsom prison has a good game, since poker is legal in California, and I wouldn't want to break any laws.

By the way, do the games stay in action after lights out?

Also, do you think that Florida will still have the 2/2 game going 24/7 by the time I am released in 2032? I hear that they are raising the limit to 5/5, but that may take awhile, since things go really slowly down there.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month

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Sometimes I wonder why I've chosen to live in New York.

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So you won't be tempted to make a living at 4/8 lhe?

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Since I'm going to be there for the first time in like 3 years tomorrow, I too was wondering what the 6/12 looks like - is it a nitfest?

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No it is an awesome game. Very loose very passive. Can be tighter during the day but is generally extremely soft.

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Yeah this is my regular game and it is good. Very loose/passive many large multiway pots with a lot of limping pre-flop. You can play things like 44, 78s and AXs in middle and late position and win big pots when you hit. Continuation bets, bluffs and slowplaying are Ill advised because the donks will call you down so just wait to hit big and then bet/raise.

To OP, it would be tough to live off 4/8 but the games can be very good. As you move up to 6/12 and 8/16 you get less total fish and more decent players. 8/16 plays more aggressive and definitely has a lot of LAGS but most of them know how to play postflop and slowdown when they think they are beat. If I were you, I would at least try moving up to 6/12.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month

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Sometimes I wonder why I've chosen to live in New York.

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So you won't be tempted to make a living at 4/8 lhe?

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I suppose if I ran at 30bb/hr I could make a go of it...

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u all need to give OP a break. 1.5 bb/ hr is easily sustainable at 4/8. That's 12 dollars/ hr. Many single people with very low expenses live off of less than that especially in areas like Mn with lower cost of living. If he commits 40 hr/wk, yes 1500-2k/ m is likely if he's at all a decent player. I'm certain i could do this. But nobody would ever want to. Better players move up where profitability is much higher. And 40 hrs/ wk is a lot more than most people can deal with.

That said, u have no sample size to speak of and u're probably not that good of a player if u couldn't beat online 2 yrs ago (but u said nothing of limits u played/ sample size), so u prob should have a part time fall back in the interim.

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Milac, do you really want to play poker for $10/hr?

Get better, play higher.

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Sorry Rob, I don't care to get into that discussion because its inflammatory in nature, and thats not the motive of my post. I don't know how to explain why I feel this without offending someone, and thats not my intention.

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TT, there is absolutely no question in my mind that you are correct. I can speak about this because I have, in the past, been mistaken about my own abilities.

While it is certain the OP is on a heater, he is unemployed and doesn't seem to have that much to lose. Playing full time for a while will do wonders for his game. It won't take long for the OP to learn where he stands. He is either really good and can move up quickly or will become more motivated in his job search.

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right now i have about 300 in expenses every month

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Sometimes I wonder why I've chosen to live in New York.

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So you won't be tempted to make a living at 4/8 lhe?

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I suppose if I ran at 30bb/hr I could make a go of it...

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Yeah, b/c u need 240 dollars an hour to make a living. Get real.

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I am pretty much certain I could make better money playing 6/2 LHE in CA casinos than I do in my regular job; if I lived there already I might consider trying, at least if I had lost my regular job as has the OP.


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But if you lived in Ca you couldn't support yourself playing 6/12.

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Nowhere in the LA area someone can live making $25 an hour (probably tax free)?
Right now I make $16 and hour and I live in one of the most expensive parts of the DC area, in a house that would sell for about $600K. Of course I bought it when it sold for under $200K, and even now I rent out a room, but I can't imagine that I couldn't make it on $25 an hour in LA.

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The 4/8 is VERY soft, but I can't imagine making more than 1BB/hour in the game, what with a $4 rake and $1 jackpot drop. Add to that some wicked variance and the certain fact that you are running insanely good, and it is clear that your plan is foolhardy.

That having been said, the 6/12 at CP plays loose and passive most of the time and the 8/16 plays loose and very aggro most of the time. The pots are large, and the suckouts are many. Variance at 8/16 can be insane, winning or losing 50+BB is not unusual in a session.

Poker is a great "side job" if you are a winning player. As a full-time job, it can really suck.

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the higher you play the worst the field is in that place.