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Uglyowl 10-27-2007 05:18 PM

Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretcher
 
Just got in during the 1st intermission of the Bruins game and found out the Bergeron was hit viciously from behind and taken off immobile on a stretcher. Did anyone see it?

Wow, the Bruins seemed to be just turning the corner.


Patrice Bergeron was taken off the ice via stretcher. Bergeron was hit by Randy Jones along the end boards and crumpled to the ice. Bergeron appeared to be unconscious after the hit.


Uglyowl 10-27-2007 05:34 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
His parents were at the game and he was still unconscious as he left the arena

Avalanche333 10-27-2007 05:37 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
I haven't seen the hit yet, but I hope Bergeron is OK.

Seems to be standard for the Flyers this year though.

T-God 10-27-2007 05:42 PM

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[censored] the Flyers. [censored] cheap, talentless hacks

Uglyowl 10-27-2007 05:47 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
Bruins star taken from game on stretcher

Patrice Bergeron

Young Bruins star Patrice Bergeron was wheeled from BankNorth Garden on a stretcher today after Randy Jones of the Philadelphia Flyers slammed him into the boards from behind.

Bergeron was motionless on the ice for more than 10 minutes, as his dismayed teammates and the Garden fans looked on. He lost consciousness and did not appear to regain it as he was taken to an ambulance and he did not appear to be conscious.

Jones was called for a five-minute major for boarding.

Although just 22, Bergeron is in his fourth season in the NHL. The center has 72 goals in 238 games over his career, and last year signed a $23.75 million, five-year contract.

His parents, who lives in Quebec, were in Boston for the game and went withn him to Massachusetts General Hospital.

Mediocre_Player 10-27-2007 05:53 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
It was pure dirtbag IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAEetam6HQ

It's sad that maybe 20% of the hockey fanbase would view this as "part of the game"

He had the back of his jersey visible at all times. At the very worst, if you're making contact 3 feet from the boards you need to basically pick up and skate the guy into the glass ... you don't [censored] push down on his head

Uglyowl 10-27-2007 06:37 PM

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[censored] the Flyers. [censored] cheap, talentless hacks

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This will be the third 20+ game suspension on the year:

Jones' hit is the latest incident involving the Flyers this season.

Steve Downie was suspended 20 games after a hit to Ottawa forward Dean McAmmond's head in an exhibition game. Then on Oct. 10 in Vancouver, Jesse Boulerice cross-checked Ryan Kesler in the mouth, resulting in a 25-game suspension.

THEOSU 10-27-2007 06:52 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
i'm not particularly sure how this hit was different from almost any similar forecheck along the boards. it was just a freak incident because bergeron was a bit low and jones was much higher than him.

Toro 10-27-2007 06:56 PM

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i'm not particularly sure how this hit was different from almost any similar forecheck along the boards. it was just a freak incident because bergeron was a bit low and jones was much higher than him.

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Yeah, that stupid Bergeron for getting his head in the way.

g-bebe 10-27-2007 07:02 PM

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i'm not particularly sure how this hit was different from almost any similar forecheck along the boards. it was just a freak incident because bergeron was a bit low and jones was much higher than him.

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Yeah, that stupid Bergeron for getting his head in the way.

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people shouldn't be making this out to be worse than it is, which is a check-gone-wrong. this is no steve downie and this is no jesse boulerice type situation.

kyro 10-27-2007 07:07 PM

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This is why I don't understand hockey. People get hit all the time and I can't tell the difference between a "clean" hit and a "dirty" one that this supposedly is. Looked completely freak to me.

ajml 10-27-2007 07:07 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
It was definitely a cheap hit and he had plenty of room to let up coming in. It's certainly not a 25 game suspension like cross-checking in the face is. I'd say 5 at MOST (and I am a Bruins fan)

Uglyowl 10-27-2007 07:10 PM

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i'm not particularly sure how this hit was different from almost any similar forecheck along the boards. it was just a freak incident because bergeron was a bit low and jones was much higher than him.

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Yeah, that stupid Bergeron for getting his head in the way.

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people shouldn't be making this out to be worse than it is, which is a check-gone-wrong. this is no steve downie and this is no jesse boulerice type situation.

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Big difference with this hit from behind. They are all bad, but instead of pulling up at the end, this [censored] went all the way pushing him into and driving his face into the boards.

It is one of the most dangerous thing in the game and can't be tolerated.

Update: Concussion and broken nose, he has all movement.

THEOSU 10-27-2007 07:16 PM

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kyro,

that's pretty much what i meant. i enjoy watching the hockey, but as far as knowing a great deal about the sport, i confess i do not. despite this, looking at the check, it just seeemed as though it was a poor decision, not malicious or anything. i don't see how it's a great deal different from any other player finishing his check in the attacking end with the key difference that i noted.

g-bebe 10-27-2007 07:29 PM

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i'm not particularly sure how this hit was different from almost any similar forecheck along the boards. it was just a freak incident because bergeron was a bit low and jones was much higher than him.

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Yeah, that stupid Bergeron for getting his head in the way.

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people shouldn't be making this out to be worse than it is, which is a check-gone-wrong. this is no steve downie and this is no jesse boulerice type situation.

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Big difference with this hit from behind. They are all bad, but instead of pulling up at the end, this [censored] went all the way pushing him into and driving his face into the boards.

It is one of the most dangerous thing in the game and can't be tolerated.

Update: Concussion and broken nose, he has all movement.

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it may have been from behind, but I really doubt that there was any malicious intent. downie may have came from in front of mcammond but that doesn't mean a thing -- he was aiming to punish him bigtime.

yes face first into the boards is very very dangerous, no argue, but i just don't think it's the same here, these types of checks from behind on a forecheck happen very very often, and this one happened to go wrong. i can see a short suspension of 1-5 games, but not more

SmileyEH 10-27-2007 07:47 PM

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Def. not 20game suspension. Cheap shot, but really guys? You think he was trying to drive his face into the lip of the boards as hard as possible? No way.

grando 10-27-2007 07:50 PM

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it may have been from behind, but I really doubt that there was any malicious intent. downie may have came from in front of mcammond but that doesn't mean a thing -- he was aiming to punish him bigtime.

yes face first into the boards is very very dangerous, no argue, but i just don't think it's the same here, these types of checks from behind on a forecheck happen very very often, and this one happened to go wrong. i can see a short suspension of 1-5 games, but not more

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perfectly said

this type of check happens multiple times in every game - this was just a freak accident

ASPoker8 10-27-2007 07:59 PM

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but this type of hit happens all the time in hockey... except

Jones held his stick up high and shoved downwards into the back of Bergeron's head at full speed.

Its pretty silly to say this exact hit happens all the time, because this hit does not equal the hit that you all are thinking about.

Myrtle 10-27-2007 08:04 PM

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Saw the hit in real time on the tube....

I was incredibly surprised with the result.

Yup, Jones's stick was high and it was a semi-cross check from behind.

It seems to me that it was one of those freaky things.....everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong.

He hit him high across the shoulders.....Bergeron was in a semi-crouch, and it ended up driving his face right into the protruding wooden lip of the boards.

It sure didn't look to me as if there was any malice at all intended on Jones's part?

As a Bruins fan, it really sucks, but it appears to be just one of those bad breaks.

Ser William 10-27-2007 08:13 PM

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Per the Globe:

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Patrice Bergeron has been diagnosed with a concussion and a broken nose.

Initial X-rays and a CT scan have not shown serious injury to his head or neck, and he has full feeling and motion in all extremities.



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MikeRice 10-27-2007 08:21 PM

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Saw the highlights during the HNIC intermission. Dirty as hell to take advantage of a player in a position like that. Flyers are on a roll so far this season being involved in pretty much ever vicious incident.

Avalanche333 10-27-2007 08:26 PM

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After watching the video, the hit was super nasty, but not even close to a lot of the other suspension worthy hits of the past couple years, including the two Flyer ones this year. I expect 5-10 games for this one.

Also, I think it's time to implode the Wachovia Center, and perhaps the entire city of Philadelphia.

34TheTruth34 10-27-2007 08:41 PM

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Also, I think it's time to implode the Wachovia Center, and perhaps the entire city of Philadelphia.

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not sure the sports world would notice

Needle77 10-27-2007 08:44 PM

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Also, I think it's time to implode the Wachovia Center, and perhaps the entire city of Philadelphia.

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not sure the sports world would notice

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Those Villanova kids wouldn't have anywhere to play UCONN though. Actually, implode it screw Villanova.

g-bebe 10-27-2007 09:07 PM

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Yup, Jones's stick was high and it was a semi-cross check from behind.

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wtf? watch that youtube video and that is nowhere near a crosscheck, as far as his his stick being high i relaly don't think his stick had one thing to do with that hit

Myrtle 10-27-2007 10:01 PM

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Yup, Jones's stick was high and it was a semi-cross check from behind.

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wtf? watch that youtube video and that is nowhere near a crosscheck, as far as his his stick being high i relaly don't think his stick had one thing to do with that hit

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OK...I watched it.

Please notice I said....'semi-cross check'. Perhaps I should explain what I meant better.

The butt end of his stick hit Bergeron a bit high; right on the shoulder. The rest of the stick was off the body.

That's why I called it a semi. I don't think a cross checking penalty was warranted.

A boarding penalty was, however.

SuperUberBob 10-27-2007 11:40 PM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
Another dirty hit from the Flyers. Isn't that the third one this season?

The evidence that Philly teams are classless and douchey is piling up.

kyro 10-28-2007 01:01 AM

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Another dirty hit from the Flyers. Isn't that the third one this season?

The evidence that Philly teams are classless and douchey is piling up.

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Uh...what evidence? I'm very intrigued by your findings.

T-God 10-28-2007 01:14 AM

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Yeah, that's just not true Bob. Some of them are also terrible.

SuperUberBob 10-28-2007 01:17 AM

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Another dirty hit from the Flyers. Isn't that the third one this season?

The evidence that Philly teams are classless and douchey is piling up.

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Uh...what evidence? I'm very intrigued by your findings.

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I should change that to Philly fans. Though the teams aren't too great either (see the Flyers for this season).

Examples of classless Philly fans:

-Throwing batteries at J.D. Drew when he played at Veterans Stadium for the first time
-Laughing as Michael Irvin lie motionless on the ground after a serious neck injury
-Clapping and cheering while Jeff Garcia (their own QB) was lying on the turf injured
-Personal experience: Getting pegged in the head with a chunk of ice when I was 15 years old.

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With regards to Eagles fans, I think this is due to the average age of the season ticket holder. The average age of a Giants season ticket holder is over 50 years old (I think 52). The average age for an Eagles season ticket holder is approximately 30 years old (maybe a bit more). How many 50+ year olds are going to throw batteries at players and laugh when they lie injured on the ground?

tercet 10-28-2007 01:39 AM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
In minor league hockey in Ontario, if you hit from behind its a game ejection plus a game suspension. This hit just seems like a standard hit from behind, seemed clean but just in general hits from behind are cheap.

Hurrrr 10-28-2007 01:45 AM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
(bruin's fan view) this was obviously a somewhat dirty hit, but shouldn't get more than 5 games. Things like this are going to happen in hockey and it sucks that it happened to a Bruin's player, but its not as bad as some of the other, more penalized plays this year.

sublime 10-28-2007 05:02 AM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
i don't think its a huge deal (the hit) the first time i saw it i was like 'ugh dirty'...the more i watch it though i just think it was flukey the way PB was positioned that made it a dangerous thing.

NhlNut 10-28-2007 08:42 AM

Re: Patrice Bergeron (Bruins-Center) taken off immobilzed on stretche
 
After watching the youtube link a couple times, Bergeron put himself in a bad position. That said, Jones really took advantage of vulnerable player. Jones showed a total lack of respect for another player's safety. He knowingly hit Bergeron from behind into the dasher. I would hope for a 10-20 game suspension and a good beating in a future game.

Triumph36 10-28-2007 09:49 AM

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If Jones gets suspended anything more than 5 games, it will once again be the results-oriented hockey league. That sort of play happens all the time - it was simply a fluke injury.

mosdef 10-28-2007 10:00 AM

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This is why I don't understand hockey. People get hit all the time and I can't tell the difference between a "clean" hit and a "dirty" one that this supposedly is. Looked completely freak to me.

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Kyro - the distinction between a clean and dirty hit in hockey comes down to one of two things:

- Excessive violence: These are the ones where it's not just a "normal" hit, for example elbows to the head or leaving your feet.
- Context: These are the tricky ones because it takes a good deal of experience watching hockey (or playing) to understand. Here, it takes a "feel" for whether or not the player who is about to get hit was defenseless or not. Here are some examples:

Forward crossing the ice parallel to the blue line, looking up ice for the puck - This player will often get absolutely crushed because he's coasting along the center of the ice not looking where he's going. This is a clean hit (unless you elbow him or knee him or leave your feet) because he isn't defenseless, he's just not paying attention.

Forward skating hard towards the end boards (like Bergeron on the dump or a player trying to catch a touch icing): These players are at the mercy of the defenders, and it's not due to their own inattention, it's a natural consequence of playing the game. But if the defender hooks him or rides him down into the boards he can hammer the forwards head into the glass or boards. There is a "right" way for the defender to do this, which is to check low and ride the forward up into the glass so his head isn't the first thing to hit the boards.

That's why sometimes you see a devastating hit where everyone says "whatever, that guy should have kept his head up" and why sometimes you'll see a defender hook a guy down into the boards on the dump and the forward jumps up and freaks out because he knows he could have just made the news for being stretchered off the ice.


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