NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

Villain is 15/14 over 70 hands. We are both very deepstacked. I think I gave him way too much respect here. Lead flop or C/R flop? What is a good line to take here?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $28.20
UTG: $40.50
CO: $23.30
BTN: $32.90
Hero (SB): $59.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($2.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($6.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($6.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

With 100BB stacks this is a fold preflop every time, but deepstacked I guess I don't mind your call too much. On the flop, you should be looking for ways to get a lot of money into the pot. Either C/R of B/3B. Either should be fine, and I'm really not sure which I prefer. C/C is pretty gross, though.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

This is about as good a flop as you could hope for. 12 outs to the nuts. If you aren't building the pot here then fold pre-flop.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

Lead the flop and get it in if possible.
Check calling is the worst option as was said above.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

Your OPP so you have to play it agressively, check raise it to ~5.5 and pot the that turn, you want FE with your hand.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

Not a big fan of a CR here. What do you hope to accomplish? If he pushes youre prob behind altho not much. If hes calling youre in a bad spot if the turn is a blank. The only thing youre really hoping for is a fold.

I like a bet-3betpush. If he calls Id bet 2/3 pot on any turn and fold to a push. I think you have about the same FE with that line and you get to see the turn cheaper. I dont mind the way you played it either. Vs this guy I probably bet half pot river, youll get looked up by JJ, QJ often enough I think. I cant see him bluffing with much on the river make checking more worthwhile.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

Imo this is an easy, easy fold since we are behind his range, and play a pot oop with big stacks.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

bet/3bet or cr is much better than c/c

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bet/3bet or cr is much better than c/c

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With 100BB stacks this is a fold preflop every time

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No, its not. Why do people keep making broad statements like this


OP, on the flop you should raise, bet and do whatever to get money in. You have a very strong draw and you should be looking to take advantage of that equity. As played, I think you should be betting the river because if he has an ace he has played it very weakly.

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With 100BB stacks this is a fold preflop every time

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No, its not. Why do people keep making broad statements like this



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Well to me it is an easy fold pf. If not a fold it's a raise, maybe. Calling oop with a hand that is easily dominated by his range (and imo dominated is worse than crushed) with big stacks is simply not in my arsenal.

I also don't think it is a broad statement. KQs plays bad in this situation imho. Please tell me why this is too broad for your taste.

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 

Saying its a fold "every time" implies that its an obvious and unarguable fold, which I disagree with. I can think of heaps of situations to call, most of which involve outplaying my opponent on later streets or extracting/cring a strong draw on the flop.

Im not debating that a fold is good, I think its fine, but to say its a fold every time is misleading

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Saying its a fold "every time" implies that its an obvious and unarguable fold, which I disagree with. I can think of heaps of situations to call, most of which involve outplaying my opponent on later streets or extracting/cring a strong draw on the flop.

Im not debating that a fold is good, I think its fine, but to say its a fold every time is misleading

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Well okay. I still don't think saying it is a fold pf is too broad. Ofc you may want to outplay someone after the flop and get into pots you wouldn't otherwise get into just because he is a donk. But that starts with getting involved in situations where you have position. Whether or not you have position is part of the donkness factor, imo.

That being said, I am sure KQs is strong enough for some people in SSNL or higher to outplay even the regs of micro stakes, but in microstakes forum I think people should rather focus on having position rather than outplaying oop. This includes me btw.

That's why, in micro stakes forum context, I think this is a fold pf.

That being said I see your point and agree with it to some extent.