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heidavey 04-27-2007 03:12 AM

low set on a coordinated board
 
No reads.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.05. UTG posts a blind of $0.05.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Gib 04-27-2007 03:14 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
this looks pretty good

Edit: hang on didn't see CO raised PF, you may actually be ahead on turn.

I don't mind the flop bet if you are hoping CO will raise (in that case I would 3bet)

As played you may be able to c/r the turn since everyone else dropped out of the hand.

BigBadBabar 04-27-2007 03:15 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
i'd bet the turn; i'm not ready to put someone on a 4 just yet.

slicer65 04-27-2007 03:15 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
i bet the turn and call a raise with 4:1 pot odds to improve your hand.

Gib 04-27-2007 03:19 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
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i'd bet the turn; i'm not ready to put someone on a 4 just yet.

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I dont mind the check &amp; see approach, but soon as CO bets and everyone else folds I'm c/r'ing.

heidavey 04-27-2007 04:24 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
Bet and c/r the turn? Is this all because of the preflop raise. I'm really rubbish at reading hands, it is one of many weaknesses i am working on.

So, the preflop raise tells me he is unlikely to have the 4? That makes sense.

If I do raise the turn and the river comes A do i check/call for fear of set over set or is it unlikely he holds a pair of aces because he didn't raise the flop bet?

BigBadBabar 04-27-2007 04:25 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
why didn't you bet the turn in the first place?

fretelöo 04-27-2007 04:36 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
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I don't mind the flop bet if you are hoping CO will raise (in that case I would 3bet)

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Don't understand the logic. If you would 3bet, you assume to be ahead. If you are ahead, you want the max money in the pot. If you want that, you don't want CO to face the field with two cold.

Thus, I don't like the flop bet. I'd c/r.

I also raise the turn. And I probably still raise the river. I'm more worried of 89s than A4s and I'm not worried much of either.

milesdyson 04-27-2007 04:39 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
Overpairs always raise this flop donk. Overpairs don't always 3-bet flop check raises.

Overcards rarely bet the flop 4-way. Overcards sometimes raise the flop donk.

It's all about getting money into the pot. Betting out is usually better.

heidavey 04-27-2007 04:49 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
I was afraid of the straight.

Should i have bet and folded to a raise? Bet/call? Then what about the river?

sparky3474 04-27-2007 05:57 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
He doesn't have the straight, he bet the flop showing strong cards maybe solid suited cards. The A isn't scary, if he had AA he would have been betting away. I think he has Ah and another picture cardl.

MPB 04-27-2007 08:21 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
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I was afraid of the straight.
Should i have bet and folded to a raise? Bet/call? Then what about the river?

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Being afraid is nothing to base decisions on.
Its not so difficult to be confident that CO doesn't have a 4, what the other 2 are calling with preflop is unknown to us, but you probably should have at least a vague idea of how their VPIP is ahnd what they do pf. Even if they're calling with rubbish like 74o pf, there's no need to assume one of them must have a 4.
Simply bet the Turn and then seen what happens.
if you get raised by CO and the other guys fold, you are only beaten by a higher set and are in great shape.
If you just get called, bet the River again and 3 bet the river if CO raises, b/c he most probably spiked 2pair.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S 04-27-2007 08:41 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
c/r flop

bettttt turn

heidavey 04-27-2007 10:33 AM

Re: low set on a coordinated board
 
thanks for all the great advice.


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