Why I don\'t like Bellagio
 

I don't play at Bellagio a lot, but was there a few days this past week while I was in town.
1. Uncomfortable chairs. It's nice to sit back, but when you try to sit upright there is no lower back support.
2. The chairs are on rollers, but rarely/barely roll!
3. $20 chips are confusing to me at no limit-probably just me
4. No damn room!!

Of course the NL games were great action and there was a lot of eye candy so I guess you have to put up w/ the bad...or go to Venetian or Wynn.

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That's it? Really? What kind of poker player are you? A REAL poker player will play if the game is in the middle of a busy intersection, during an earthquake and while a riot is going on.

Plus, he'll sit on lumpy chairs at a table that's so soft and sloped that he can't stack his chips.

Sack up and get with the program!

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1. Uncomfortable chairs. It's nice to sit back, but when you try to sit upright there is no lower back support.

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I want to comment on this one. When the Bellagio poker room opened all anyone could talk about is how great the chairs were.

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That's it? Really? What kind of poker player are you? A REAL poker player will play if the game is in the middle of a busy intersection, during an earthquake and while a riot is going on.

Plus, he'll sit on lumpy chairs at a table that's so soft and sloped that he can't stack his chips.

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That would be more comfortable than the Bellagio.

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1. Uncomfortable chairs. It's nice to sit back, but when you try to sit upright there is no lower back support.

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I want to comment on this one. When the Bellagio poker room opened all anyone could talk about is how great the chairs were.

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I was thinking this exact same thing; Otter if you are still in town, PM me. I know who you are but you dont know me, I am having a few other detroit cats to my abode here tomorrow for a bbq in the afternoon followed by most likely the Venetian.

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1. Uncomfortable chairs. It's nice to sit back, but when you try to sit upright there is no lower back support.

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I want to comment on this one. When the Bellagio poker room opened all anyone could talk about is how great the chairs were.

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Yeah, having swivel chairs with wheels, tilt, and height adjustment was a revolutionary idea at the time.

Now all those chairs are about ten years old. Some started breaking down right away. I imagine that almost all of them are crippled by now.

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Here are some better reasons why I hate bellagio:

Floor person for the high limit no limit area is often that asian cougar that can't speak English well. Why in God's name would you hire someone to call out names from a list when they can't speak/understand English well AT ALL.

I tell her my name is "Gabriel". She writes down "Mable". The next night I just tell her my initials (GSC). She writes down "BFE". The next night I tell her my initials are GAB, she writes down DAV. I couldn't find a combination of letters/numbers that she could understand. When I would try to correct her, she would get angry and impatient.

What's even worse is her accent is so thick that you can't understand what she's saying half the time.

The old man that takes names down in the front (low limit) area is a huge dousche. He gets mad at me if I ask any question about the list, switching tables, etc.. They all act like they are doing you a favor by doing their job.

Until recently, you could not get a seat without bribing the floor people. I had my name bumped completely from the list 3 nights in a row a year ago. I was watching the list like a hawk and it would just "mysteriously" disappear while players that had just arrived were immediately given seats at 10/25 NL (Or was it 10/20NL, I don't remember?).

Anyway...In my opinion they have become very complacent and rude to their customers.

Oh, and don't even think about getting a comp - Unless you want to grease a floor person $20 for a voucher that is barely worth the size of the bribe.

That place is crap. Too bad players don't get sick of the B.S. and go to the Wynn where they treat you like they actually want your patronage.

Thank God for Commerce (a.k.a. Poker heaven.)

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Here are some better reasons why I hate bellagio:

Floor person for the high limit no limit area is often that asian cougar that can't speak English well. Why in God's name would you hire someone to call out names from a list when they can't speak/understand English well AT ALL.

I tell her my name is "Gabriel". She writes down "Mable". The next night I just tell her my initials (GSC). She writes down "BFE". The next night I tell her my initials are GAB, she writes down DAV. I couldn't find a combination of letters/numbers that she could understand. When I would try to correct her, she would get angry and impatient.

What's even worse is her accent is so thick that you can't understand what she's saying half the time.

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ROFL. Sounds like that Seinfeld episode.

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That place is crap. Too bad players don't get sick of the B.S. and go to the Wynn where they treat you like they actually want your patronage.

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My last three trips to Vegas, I haven't set foot in Bellagio.

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My last three trips to Vegas, I haven't set foot in Bellagio.

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From your posts here I don't blame you, you don't play limits big enough that it matters, i wouldn't play at the Bellagio either if I were in your shoes.

All - 95% of the Bellagio hate comes from people who do not play at significant limits. Bellagio is primarily a high limit room, these players don't complain that much because it doesn't matter when its the only or nearly-only game in town. This immediately disqualifies the vast majority of Bellagio gripes we hear on 2+2.

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You are right. I only play up to 10/25 NL. However, that often is the biggest NL game available at Bellagio. Maybe you are talking about the bigger limit games? I don't know.

That being said--I do know service when I see it. I don't think it matters how much money you have, or what limits you play at. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize when people are being rude douschebags.

When I go to Commerce and play 10/20NL, I literally am treated like I'm famous. The staff act like they love their job, and are in a good mood.

Bellagio is the polar opposite. They've held the "big game" for so long that they think customer service no longer matters. I really think they believe that they are doing you a favor by "letting" you play there. The arrogance is palpable.

All that said...I play at Bellagio everytime I'm forced to be in Vegas. The games are very soft at 5/10NL and 10/25NL. I'm there to make money, so I can deal with the B.S.. I just wish people were smart enough to take their business elsewhere. (People who aren't playing solely to make money.)

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My last three trips to Vegas, I haven't set foot in Bellagio.

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From your posts here I don't blame you, you don't play limits big enough that it matters, i wouldn't play at the Bellagio either if I were in your shoes.

All - 95% of the Bellagio hate comes from people who do not play at significant limits. Bellagio is primarily a high limit room, these players don't complain that much because it doesn't matter when its the only or nearly-only game in town. This immediately disqualifies the vast majority of Bellagio gripes we hear on 2+2.

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I don't know if you could sum it up any better. Well played.

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5. They have the rudest, most unhelpful high limit floor in the business (until they get to know you).

6. They will only make an effort to you know you after receiving (what they feel), are adequate tokes (the more you toke, the more they'll acknowledge you).

7. They make you feel like a beggar for asking to get a meal comped. Even after 15 hours of high limit play for a solid week, they act like they're doing you some huge favor.

8. They ARE doing you a huge favor when they give you a comp, because the food prices at the Bellagio are friggin ridiculous!

*My last experience may be tainted, since I was there during a tournament and to their credit, things were very busy and hetic for the floor. Still, I thought most were incredibly rude to people they didn't know well.

*I suppose the same can be said for the Commerce with respect to toking, but at least they treat you like royalty once you're established there.

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If I wanted to play big NL I'd go to the Wynn uncapped or L.A. games or 45 minutes from here at Lucky Chances before I went to the Bellagio. If I wanted to play big LHE I'd go to L.A. or the 100/200 game 10 minutes from here before I went to the Bellagio.

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I play at the B because the games are juicy, but the place is a hole. The room is filthy, they play 10 handed on uncomfortable chairs, can't get a food comp if your life depended on it, you are constantly justled by everyone walking by...but, you can make money. The Wynn is the bomb in all areas except game selection. Unfortunately the high limits are filled with locals, nits and pros, and the last few weeks everyone has been at Commerce because they couldn't even get a 5/10 game going. Why not up the time by a buck and go to 9 handed. I don't know one player who wouldn't put in the extra dollar for more room and comfort. But hey, maybe it's just me.

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At Bellagio I turned my seat around and sat on it backwards, which is how I normally play long sessions. I was promptly told I could not do this.

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everyone - it wont matter in 1 1/2 years when the games are moved to City Center. Its not in MGM's best interest to make any changes at this point when they are already building the new poker room to marginalize Bellagio (just like they did with Mirage in the past). Think big picture...

PS: word on the street is that Bobby Baldwin might be resigning, its still speculative rumor but we know he was just given a new title without a promotion that sparked the rumors. Check the latest issue of Gambling Times for more info.

PPS: The Bellagio is generally busy enough that I don't think anyone will miss the players who won't play there.

PPPS: LOL at pig4bill's "If I wanted to". I relate this to people who say "if I had a million dollars I would xxx", but when people actually have a million dollars there opinions on what they would do would likely change.

PPPPS: I don't play at Bellagio as often as I used to because I have choices - and they are packed without my business, they don't need me. When I had no choice I would go there in a heartbeat.

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who is that one cute asian girl who is really skinny but has big boobs? i've seen her playing 2/5 a few times. i like her.

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The chairs were all replaced when they re-modeled the room a couple of years ago. Now that some time has passed, a few of them are getting a little creaky--but it's not any worse than any other room. I have to admit, the chairs in the Venetian are a bit nicer, but the ones at the Bellagio are fine.

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That would be "Wan". In my experience, she's a sweetie. She always keeps an eye out for me, and makes sure my seat gets locked up. And btw, I'm not a "regular" at the B, since I live on the other side of the continent--but within a day or so of my being in town on a trip, she remembers who I am, has my name on the lists for the games I like even before I get to the podium, etc. And I'm not a huge tipper, btw. I'm a typical Sklansky-esque 2p2 nit. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The old man that takes names down in the front (low limit) area is a huge dousche. He gets mad at me if I ask any question about the list, switching tables, etc.. They all act like they are doing you a favor by doing their job.


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That would be Dave Naif--you're right, he's a douche. 'nuff said. However, in my experience, he is the exception, not the rule--most of the floor people rate from better-than-average to exceptional. But I am glad that he's working the low limit area nowadays, so I don't have to interact with him at all (my wife does and can't stand him either, but that's another story...).

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everyone - it wont matter in 1 1/2 years when the games are moved to City Center. Its not in MGM's best interest to make any changes at this point when they are already building the new poker room to marginalize Bellagio (just like they did with Mirage in the past). Think big picture...

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I know that a separate-from-the-Bellagio, "high roller" type casino is in the works for City Center. But is this really anticipated (a big poker room, supplanting Bellagio)? You probably know more than I do...but I find it hard to believe that a poker room in a semi, sorta, kinda, exclusive gated community kind of place is really going to displace the one in a (for lack of a better term) "public" kind of casino, like Bellagio.

I was thinking of buying a place at City Center, but I passed. If you're right about the poker situation migrating there, I may be forced to reconsider that decision.

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huh? odd

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I know that a separate-from-the-Bellagio, "high roller" type casino is in the works for City Center. But is this really anticipated (a big poker room, supplanting Bellagio)? You probably know more than I do...but I find it hard to believe that a poker room in a semi, sorta, kinda, exclusive gated community kind of place is really going to displace the one in a (for lack of a better term) "public" kind of casino, like Bellagio.

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City Center's centerpiece is a casino and matching hotel with 3438 rooms and 564 suites. Word on the street is that a poker room is planned, of course anything could happen between now and the grand opening since staffing hasn't started so we cannot be sure, but its a pretty safe bet that this will be the plan. Bobby Baldwin is the president of City Center, its only logical based on past experience.

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When I read about the management restructuring, the first thought that came to mind was the Owl would be gone. Someone out there will offer him the corner office and big bucks.

He's the President of City Center and head of future development.

I\'m still waiting for Dave to find me a seat
 

... totally clueless front guy. F***ing riot to watch him wander around the room.

To be fair, the other floor people, cocktails servers and many dealers at the Bellagio are very good and professional.

My only complaint is that they shoe-horned in too many tables for the space. Compare it to the Venetian.

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"Bellagio is primarily a high limit room,"

Curious why you feel that way. I have played there for years, never bigger than $5-10 NL, and felt it was always solicitous of lower limit players like me as well. The service is good and the dealers are as good in the lower limits as in the higher.

(If I do not visit the Bellagio when I am in Las Vegas, it is likely a traffic issue or related to where I am staying ... as you noted there are other options now which offer nice rooms, such as Caesars, Wynn and the Venetian.)

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the venetian is the worlds largest resort and has no business relitive to the size of its theoretical user base. Its hard to compare.

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"Bellagio is primarily a high limit room,"

Curious why you feel that way. I have played there for years, never bigger than $5-10 NL, and felt it was always solicitous of lower limit players like me as well. The service is good and the dealers are as good in the lower limits as in the higher.

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I could clarify by saying its a mid limit and high limit room. 5/10 nl is arguably mid-limit in Vegas.

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Curious why you feel that way. I have played there for years, never bigger than $5-10 NL, and felt it was always solicitous of lower limit players like me as well. The service is good and the dealers are as good in the lower limits as in the higher.

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5/10NL is not classified as low limit NL in Vegas. 1/2 is low limit 2/5 is mid and 5/10+ is "high" to 99% of the people coming/living here.

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anybody know what the condos start at in the city center

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Matt, the twenty something floor guy is pretty awesome. The rest, not so much.

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In the range of 600,000 plus for the condos that are remaining.

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I always grit my teeth now when I play at the B. If you want to play at the 25-50NL level or anything above 100-200 limit, the there is only one game in town.

One of the worst guys there was a daytime high limit brush named "John". He's working the low limits at Venetian the last time I saw him during WSOP. I distinctly remember one trip I had last Nov when I walked into the B and put my name on the 10-20 and 25-50NL list early afternoon one Friday.

It was not busy at all but since I just got in twon, I was saying hi to my friends there and just bumming around. John calls me down for 10-20 and asks me how many chips I want. I reach in my pocket, pull out a flag (5k chip) and ask him for a rack of 20's (2k) 10 blacks (1k) and 2k in thousand chips.

I tell the table I'm playing 3k and he comes back in no time flat as there is no line at the cage. I ask the dealer to chop a $20 chip and I give John $10. He mumbles thanks and shakes his head a little like he should get the whole $20. I'm like WTF? I just get in town and this is the crap I get. I've never given him a penny since then and smirked a little when I saw him hustling chips for the 1-2NL games at the Venetian.

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I'm one of the low-stakes people TT refers too.

Rude floor and somewhat crowded conditions and even iffy chairs and zilcho comps I can tolerate.

When I played there for the first time though I was just blown away by how jammed the tables were. And those chairs that kind of jut back at the top don't make it any easier.
In some sections there is just no easy way for a player or waitress to get through.
So in some seats you are going to get bumped and spun slightly over and over and over again.
Freaking awful and pretty tilt inducing.
Even when it's nice people or waitresses who accidentally do it and they genuinely apologize it doesn't stop the fact that I'm literally getting bumped about every couple minutes.

Don't think this is as much of a problem in the higher-stakes areas where there might be slightly less traffic. It was pretty incomprehensible to me in a couple of the places where I was sitting.

Should be noted that I'm 5'6" with especially short legs and am not really THAT badly overweight. So it's not like my large frame or big belly caused me to take up a ton of space and sit way back from the table or anything like that.

When it's a 300 lb. or 6'4" guy in one of those seats obviously they are likely to need a little bit more room which makes it even more difficult for anyone to get through.

It's embarassing how badly designed that room is just to walk through to certain seats/tables.

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Didn't they expand the room about a year ago? If so I'm surprised they didn't take that into account. Or perhaps they wanted to jam in as many tables as possible to make a few extra bucks

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I played there during WSOP time in 2005 so things were super-crowded which also contributed to the problem.

That was AFTER the expansion I thought but maybe they have done some more since then.

I walked past in Apr, 2006 but didn't play there. I didn't notice any re-design or change or anything but I wasn't really looking that closely either.

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I didn't play there but when I was there last week I saw Sklansky walking out. Must be a good place if he plays there!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

What games does he play usually?

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$550,000 for 650 sf. It's a studio apartment. If you had a photography studio that small, you'd be taking wallet-sized photos.

You have to go outside to change your mind.

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What games does he play usually?

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David is more concerned with the texture of the game than the limit, possibly his best skill is table selection.

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Agree with most of the problems listed. Bellagio treats their low limit players like crap. Much friendlier in my experience at Venetian, the Wynn, and Caesar's.

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NL or limit usually or both?

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Yes I do enjoy the Wynn for 1/3 NL

And I have always been treated well at the Mandalay Bay room. They always have lots of 1/2 games going.