$60 I know someone is calling but still
 

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Hero (t1370)
UTG (t3260)
UTG+1 (t1720)
MP1 (t1465)
MP2 (t965)
CO (t1740)
Button (t1330)
SB (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t300</font>, CO calls t300, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t250, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1370</font>,

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fold pre flop

u are not in good shape against this field and are in no rush to get your chips in the pot

u will at best be slightly ahead....but most likely be far behind

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really?? I like the play.

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I would fold this without thinking. I don't like the push because MP2 (assuming he's decent) is pot-committed at this point, considering all the dead money in the middle. So basically you have to figure out how KQ fares against his range, and even against a loose range (like 55+, A7+, QJ+), you're a good bit behind. The dead money makes up for some of that, but if his raising range is tighter, like AJ+ &amp; 99+, you're in significantly more trouble. This isn't even factoring in the times one of the callers will call you with a pair or even hands that dominate you like AQ. Fold.

I would need at least AQ or TT to make this move, maybe more.

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not after the open raise m'boy. fold.

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seems like a fold.

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I would presto fold this.

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Nobody seems to like so I'll give my thoughts nobody has really shown strength I think the hands that I am behind qq+ aq+ are pretty unlikely. Given that I am probally racing with like a thousand dead. Does it still seem terrible?

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nobody has really shown strength

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MP2 raises to t300, CO calls t300, 1 fold, SB calls t250,

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There's a raise and 2 calls. Noone has shown strength?

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nobody has really shown strength

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MP2 raises to t300, CO calls t300, 1 fold, SB calls t250,

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There's a raise and 2 calls. Noone has shown strength?

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The raiser is the only one I am worried about do you really think people are cold calling there with QQ+ AQ+

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nobody has really shown strength

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MP2 raises to t300, CO calls t300, 1 fold, SB calls t250,

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There's a raise and 2 calls. Noone has shown strength?

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The raiser is the only one I am worried about do you really think people are cold calling there with QQ+ AQ+

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youre still getting a call and are behind any legitimate range.

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Nobody seems to like so I'll give my thoughts nobody has really shown strength I think the hands that I am behind qq+ aq+ are pretty unlikely. Given that I am probally racing with like a thousand dead. Does it still seem terrible?

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You're getting so much dead money assuming they all don't call that I don't hate it. I don't know that I could do this under the assumption someone calls 100% of the time but I think you probably have enough fold equity plus dead money to make it worthwile though.

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Interesting play, but with 8 players left and 13BB I'm comfortable folding and waiting for something better to come along.

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This one is sort of intersting too. I think pushing here is superstandard/+ev but everyone seemed to disagree.

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eagles,
any time of read or pahud stats?

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ur not even holding and ace, and no pair. How is this superstandard??

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Sort of all depends on the players, doesn't it? A regular with less than 10BB who opens for 3x is crushing KQo and never folds to a push, for instance. Based on some rough calcs, you have to win like 40% of the time even with the dead money, assuming only MP2 calls the push, and that seems unlikely to me, readless.

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You're crushed so often here...especially if MP2 or CO are regs...its not that this can't be +ev but its definitely not standard IMO.

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Ya I think this is really standard and folding is pretty terrible.

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i know i said fold like a year ago or whenever this was posted, but there is soooo much dead. i think if the opener isnt a nit you can do this as even when he calls you'll maintain decent pot equity most of the time (youre not that often dominate without that read I would think).

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The main thing I don't like about it is that the initial raiser has &lt;10 bb's, and I think premium hands are a big part of a lot of people's range here.

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The main thing I don't like about it is that the initial raiser has &lt;10 bb's, and I think premium hands are a big part of a lot of people's range here.

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Which is why you have to pay attention to the villains -- knowing who will limp or make a bet, but not go all-in with &lt; 10BB with premiums is so damn important.

With the severe multi-tabling that everyone does, it's often hard to pay close enough attention to make note of this tendency. I wonder if someone could write a PT SQL query to identify these villains.


In general, unless the raiser or I am severely short stacked, I'm dumping KQ to a raise.

Jeff

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The main thing I don't like about it is that the initial raiser has &lt;10 bb's, and I think premium hands are a big part of a lot of people's range here.

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Good point however I feel like this hand was prob not vs a reg and it was over a year ago so I think that his 3x isn't neecessarily that huge.