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Not sure how much interest there is but I recorded a video of myself playing 5/10 TDL on stars this afternoon, its about 1:15. There is no audio cuz I screwed up but will have audio commentary on the next one. I definitely played a few hands poorly and I ran bad and lost a bunch but feel free to check it out:

www.deathdonkey.com/videos

-DeathDonkey

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very appreciated, thanks.

early on were you trying to c/r on the end with 76532? this is when it was HU, just a few minutes in.

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comments as i go along:

3:30 is this a value bet with 87643?

10:30 you cap 98432 with one draw to go, villain stands pat and you don't break the 9? don't get this.

12:00 mountain becomes a molehill.. i think you were just tilting on this hand as it went on.

23:00 do snows really work at this level? i might have just dropped the 42 since it looks like they had "call any" checked.

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you play too loose predraw imo...

two that stick out,
458 on button, and 367 utg are both folds I think

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also you were right about variance.. i'm almost throwing up watching this.

is it just a coincidence you left when greg showed up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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you play too loose predraw imo...

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458 on button, and 367 utg are both folds I think

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I have not seen the video yet, but yes these are both folds in the limit variant of the game, I would do the same in NL (but I don't play it so I could be wrong). 367 is a button stealing hand for me.

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also you were right about variance.. i'm almost throwing up watching this.


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I'm pretty sure this isn't variance. I'm only 40% through, but his results are matching the quality of his play so far.

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is it just a coincidence you left when greg showed up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Donkey plays in the same circles of cash games as Greg, I don't think that would matter too much unless bringing him into the game changes the balance too much. Luckily it usually doesn't, Greg is a magnet for loose playing opponents who try to outplay the WSOP champ - which is actually good for him, and anyone else who plays well at the table.

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also you were right about variance.. i'm almost throwing up watching this.


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I'm pretty sure this isn't variance. I'm only 40% through, but his results are matching the quality of his play so far.

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even if you play your best the variance is pretty sick, that's all.

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is it just a coincidence you left when greg showed up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Donkey plays in the same circles of cash games as Greg, I don't think that would matter too much unless bringing him into the game changes the balance too much. Luckily it usually doesn't, Greg is a magnet for loose playing opponents who try to outplay the WSOP champ - which is actually good for him, and anyone else who plays well at the table.

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i'm kind of joking around.

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also you were right about variance.. i'm almost throwing up watching this.

is it just a coincidence you left when greg showed up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I actually played another hour and won some money from Greg but the video was long enough. Thanks for the criticisms I'll try and play better next video and the audio commentary will help explain my thought process on a few hands.

-DeathDonkey

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comments as i go along:

3:30 is this a value bet with 87643? I THOUGHT SO AT THE TIME

10:30 you cap 98432 with one draw to go, villain stands pat and you don't break the 9? don't get this. I WAS OOP AND STOOD PAT FIRST HOPING HE WOULD BREAK

12:00 mountain becomes a molehill.. i think you were just tilting on this hand as it went on. I DIDNT THINK IT WAS TILT AT ALL, I GOT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH A NUT DRAW

23:00 do snows really work at this level? i might have just dropped the 42 since it looks like they had "call any" checked. I THINK SNOWS WORK GREAT AT LOW LIMITS

early on were you trying to c/r on the end with 76532? this is when it was HU, just a few minutes in. OF COURSE

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-DeathDonkey

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the caps make you sound angry [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

on snowing, they were just calling so fast i didn't see a point.

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12:00 mountain becomes a molehill.. i think you were just tilting on this hand as it went on. I DIDNT THINK IT WAS TILT AT ALL, I GOT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH A NUT DRAW


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I don't know about during the hand, but you definitely tilted afterwards.

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First hand - just call the raise, there is no value in a 3-bet with 345xx. Second round - fine. Third round - check it through, he is drawing to one card, betting here has little value in the long run when you both have a 1 card draw on the prior round, even with a solid draw such as 2345 (which is a second tier 1 card draw because catching a 6 kills everything) - especially out of position.

I like this a lot, when my move is done I will post a video too... I know I don't always play perfect (TD makes me a tilty spaz sometimes)so it should be very interesting.

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12:00 mountain becomes a molehill.. i think you were just tilting on this hand as it went on. I DIDNT THINK IT WAS TILT AT ALL, I GOT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH A NUT DRAW


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I don't know about during the hand, but you definitely tilted afterwards.

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Well I can argue with you forever about my mindset during the play of the hands but it means nothing. Now I'm sad the audio commentary didn't record (I was speaking into my mic the entire time explaining things and talking about the game) and I'm sure you could tell from that I was anything but tilty. 5/10 just isn't going to do that to me.

-DeathDonkey

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12:00 mountain becomes a molehill.. i think you were just tilting on this hand as it went on. I DIDNT THINK IT WAS TILT AT ALL, I GOT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH A NUT DRAW


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I don't know about during the hand, but you definitely tilted afterwards.

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Donkey might get spazzy at times, but he rarely tilts.. its one of his best qualities as a poker player, he is very even keeled... few things bother him.

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12:00 mountain becomes a molehill.. i think you were just tilting on this hand as it went on. I DIDNT THINK IT WAS TILT AT ALL, I GOT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH A NUT DRAW


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I don't know about during the hand, but you definitely tilted afterwards.

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Donkey might get spazzy at times, but he rarely tilts.. its one of his best qualities as a poker player, he is very even keeled... few things bother him.


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I hope you can repeat this after seeing the hands in question. Because I'd like to hear how you justify them.

I finally saw a hand I really like, 131608 where DD breaks to the reverse freeze.

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Well I can argue with you forever about my mindset during the play of the hands but it means nothing.

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If you can come up with any way the 345 SB hand makes the slightest bit of sense, I'll yield.

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345 sb hand: CO LAGgish type opens, I 3 bet in SB, not standard? Then I peel after the BB LAG caps and everyone draws two and the pot is big? That's the worst example of tilt you can find? I played many hands worse than that one.

Hand 131608 where I break the 98: The funny thing about this hand that you would have heard with audio is he had J98 so I broke the winner anyway.

-DeathDonkey

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345 sb hand: CO LAGgish type opens, I 3 bet in SB, not standard?

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If this is standard, it's no wonder you guys have such massive swings. Good God.

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23:00 do snows really work at this level? i might have just dropped the 42 since it looks like they had "call any" checked. I THINK SNOWS WORK GREAT AT LOW LIMITS


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FWIW I'd say this snow was dead on the second-round coldcall. Then you're just building a big multiway pot for somebody else. The later two snows I like.

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Again the commentary explains this and agrees with you 2461badugi. I'm just gonna put up another video with commentary ASAP so you guys can call me a fish after hearing my thoughts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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Have people stopped cutting out the rest of hands after they fold? That made the first videos much more watchable, IMO.

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I use the time between playable hands to catch up on comments I wanted to make. I don't have trouble filling the time. Also I think it's important to see the flow of the game and things that occur between other players at the table, especially when playing 3-4 handed. Finally, it requires more work on my part to edit the video instead of just spewing out the whole thing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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I use the time between playable hands to catch up on comments I wanted to make. I don't have trouble filling the time. Also I think it's important to see the flow of the game and things that occur between other players at the table, especially when playing 3-4 handed. Finally, it requires more work on my part to edit the video instead of just spewing out the whole thing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I think with the comments it wouldn't be so bad. I'm pro whatever produces the most videos.

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Again the commentary explains this and agrees with you 2461badugi. I'm just gonna put up another video with commentary ASAP so you guys can call me a fish after hearing my thoughts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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DD - you can add comentary in Camtasia after the fact ya if you didnt already know...

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345 sb hand: CO LAGgish type opens, I 3 bet in SB, not standard?

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If this is standard, it's no wonder you guys have such massive swings. Good God.

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Sorry bud, I agree with Tapir - thats a fold, perhaps a borderline call. Give it up, not worth it from the SB. This is a game of position, you don't want to be drawing that rough - 345 is the equivalent of cold calling in the small blind with 234T double suited in O8, hoping to catch the miracle A on the flop.

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I recorded a 1 hour video this morning, I played while I was working (shhhh.. don't tell anyone I work with!) so I was barely paying attention yet I think I made some good decisions none the less. I couldn't find my headset so there is no audio unfortunately, but I did type into the text box while playing so I could communicate with you the viewer. There were one or two spots I know will be controversial or marginal plays.

Donkey - care to host it for me? Waiting for Tapir, Mark, etc etc etc to do their videos as well. Its about time we all did this.

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I thought you played REALLY bad from blinds and played way too loose in other positions. In HU you defended 67XXX and drew 3 on the button, you stole/defended stuff like 34XXX. 3bet with 345 out of small blind I didn't like. You also raised with stuff like 367/457/568 from anywhere from UTG to button which is never a good thing. I hated the 22344 snow against 2 people, I think you have to draw 2 on the last round because you built such a huge pot. The bad news is that I'd be surprised if you were a winner against these guys playing like this. The good news is that playing like this is super easy to fix since all you have to do is fold bad hands, as you played most your playable hands well. You definitely appeared to run bad as every time you had a 1 draw vs a 2 or 3 draw they'd catch up by the last draw and pull ahead on the river.

Then I had a couple small nitpicks. In one hand you've got 23489 and check/call on the last round and break, make #5 and end up winning. No clue what the other guy had, I don't even remember the action on the hand because I watched this at like 2 am, but I remember thinking that in this spot I would stand pat with the 98 and value bet the river. I think this was the guy that had called down with like a T7543 against your slightly worse Ten earlier so I think a 98 was very likely good already. There were a couple spots against "Numen" specifically I didn't like because he's SUPER passive/weak tight. He check calls/only calls on the end with super strong hands. One specific hand he checked to you after you both drew 1 and you bet J7432 (I assume for value) and he calls with 87542 or something. There was another where you ended with like a T7 on the end and you bet and he's got 87 perfect. I think against Numen a T7 is a check/fold on the end, unless betting as a bluff trying to fold a 9-better T is a mathematically more winning play than check/fold. Against an aggressive player your J high bet is good since the river check is either "I'll let you bluff into me" or "you win I don't want it". I also liked your fold with 87643 against Numen later in the video, I'm certain it was a good one.

In these games compared to the old UB games there's very little/no value in betting rough 9s through Jacks on the end because in my experience people are rarely calling on the end with worse than a 9 so far. The obvious solution to this is to bet bluffs and check crappy made hands with no value since they fold too much on the end, which means that instead of a rough T/J being a value bet, it's actually a bluff as these guys appear to be folding like anything worse than a 9.

Watching this video was fun, if I can figure out this newfangled technology on my dad's laptop when I'm at home for thanksgiving I'll make one. If I'm playing more than 1 table am I able to focus on just 1 table? I don't think I could take playing 1 table of 5/10 for an hour, but I don't want to let out my POWERFUL SECRETS in Stud 8.

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Thank you for the detailed thoughts. I disagree with you about many of my heads up / blind steal/defense situation decisions but agree I played too loosely in some other spots. I didn't have very good reads on anyone and it seems like you do and are quite correct about Numen which I only learned later. When I broke that 98432 I was against J98 lol. The Jack high and T7 value bets are standard for me from aggro UB games, I need to tone it down a bit I guess.

It's easier to play just one table when you are doing audio commentary too, I recommend this.

-DeathDonkey

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345 is the equivalent of cold calling in the small blind with 234T double suited in O8, hoping to catch the miracle A on the flop.


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err no its not. Calling the 345 is a bad play period (even if CO is opening with 23 / 27 on CO and we play better than him). Folding the 234T ds is also a bad play. In hindsight, I figure you know these things but were trying to make a point about how these hands need some serious improvement to be any good...

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Can you tutor me this way?

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lets not become wise asses about this, thats not cool. Donkey put up the video both to educate and learn for himself, obviously some actions that he thought were standard he has now learned they are not, he needs to adjust - relearn - and try again... but he doesn't need rude remarks from the peanut gallery like that.

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