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This problem arose in my last home game. I'm a bit unclear as to the exact details, but I think that is kind of the point...

A hand involving three players and a side pot and main pot occurred. The hand resolved with a player winning the main pot and another winning the side pot. Three or four hands later, one of the players states that the pots in the previously discussed hand were incorrect. With remarkable accuracy, the player explained that each pot was wrong and that it was not too late to correct it. Correcting it (if everything the player says was true, either intentionally or not) would not involve that much of a change (less than 10% of stacks). The table feeling, along with mine (the host) was that three hands later is too late to correct that sort of an error. I figured it would set too slippery of a president and result in future conflicts of the same nature. But suppose the player was able to exactly recall each players betting action for the whole hand, three hands later, should the chips be corrected?

If this needs any clarification, let me know. Thanks for the help.


Oh, an important detail was overlooked. The player requesting the chip correction won one of the pots and felt some of the chips from the pot he didn't win belonged in the pot he did win.

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If you think the pots are not correct, or are just uncertain, stop the game and calmly recreate the action and form the pots until everyone agrees before the next hand is dealt. Once the next hand is dealt it is too late to bring it up.

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Ugh, that's a tough one. Unfortunately, there's no way to verify, and the hand was long over. If it was even during the next hand that he noticed, I'd probably allow it, but at that point it's too late.

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Absolutely not, especially if he stands to gain chips. Stop the action at the time, if the side pot is wrong.

Too late, so sad, too bad.

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He should have spoke up during the hand. Once hand is over it's over. Move on, nothing to do here.

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3 hands later is way to late to go back and fix the pot. why didn't he speak up sooner?

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While it's admirable that the guy wants to correct things to his detriment, he should have said something immediately. As it is, there is a little bit of a chance he knew at the time and is only saying something now because he thinks people will say it's too late to change it. Still, it IS too late because you can not spread the hands in front of you.

The ruling on the field is upheld, the loser of the challenge is charged a time out.

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It's too late

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Hahaha...three hands later, give me more chips! Sorry, too late to ask. Once the chips are awarded and the hands are mucked, it's too late. Maybe at a friendly home game you might correct it before the next hand is dealt if everyone agrees.

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From Roberts Rules of Poker:

A ruling may be made regarding a pot if it has been requested before the next deal starts (or before the game either ends or changes to another table). Otherwise, the result of a deal must stand. The first riffle of the shuffle marks the start for a deal.

If a pot has been incorrectly awarded and mingled with chips that were not in the pot, but the time limit for a ruling request given in the previous rule has been complied with, management may determine how much was in the pot by reconstructing the betting, and then transfer that amount to the proper player.

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I don't correct pots after is entered a stack and the cards are reshuffeld.
Everybody could say "hey you was wrong" two hands later.

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Yeah, once action started on the next hand, that hand should be dead as far as everyone is concerned. If it was my home game, I would sympathized with him, but I wlso would have explained why we can't correct it.

If you had corrected it, you might get a player argue, "I would have played the two hands afterward differently with the different chip stack sizes" and down the sippery slope you go.

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I think you are correct, here. If any correction needed to be done, then it should have been done at the time the hand was being played. 3-hands later is too late.

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There are several reasons the play must stand - no changes now.

The stack sizes in the mean time could easily have affected play of intervening hands.

It slows down play - anyone at any time could explain "with remarkable accuracy" how a previous hand should have been different. It's sort of like going all in when the board shows the nuts. What have you got to lose? You MIGHT be rewarded some chips if no one else can remember exactly. So you might as well try it all night long.

It doesn't encourage people to pay attention before the hand is over, which is the only time you can actually see the chips and have a chance to correct the error at a point when no one can debate the facts. This is something that you have to encourage.

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I need a picture of Tricky Dick....

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tough one, unless everyone agrees to correct it id say its too late.

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ah, now I see... precedent, not president. Funny. I probably have misspelled it like that a hundred times. Thanks for the help on the poll, but more-so for the vocabulary/spelling lesson. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Nope, same here, don't correct it after the next hand being startet.