Down swings
 

Hi all,
I am in the midst of my worse downswing ever since I started playing NL online. i play 1/2NL, anywhere from 2-4 tables and within the past couple of weeks I am stuck 20 or so buyins. i only play about 1-2 hours a day, when i get a chance to play. i'll be first to admit that im not playin well, but i also know for a fact that i am getting a real bad run of cards.
My question is, how does everyone here deal with these type of downswings? do you sit out for while? do you drop in limit? for me, its got to the point where once i sit and play, i already know i will lose. my confidence is shot and i cant get a winning streak going anymore.

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you aren't playing winning poker. the only cure is to move up so you can make the money back ten times faster.

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please post some example hands which you play good but still lose in this thread for our entertainment

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They are one thing

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They are one thang

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FYP

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Please post screen names so we can assess your terrible play first-hand.

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Ignoring for the moment all the smart-asses that inhabit this forum, I am running bad right now too and I can relate. I have been beating online poker for 48 months without ever having a losing month. Like you, I play in my spare time, as I am a professional by day.

I use my poker income to pay my son's private school tuition of $750 per month, and for fun stuff like family vacations, nice dinners, and for the occasional trip to Vegas for my wife and me.

Anyway, last month I had my first losing month ever. It was only a $100 loss after rakeback, but it really bothered me. I took a week off of poker, and even switched from Full Tilt to Cake Poker (I figured the $500 sign up bonus would help me recover.)

As I write this I am down 14 buy-ins for the month, after experiencing some of the worst luck I have ever seen, let alone been the victim of. Combined with last month, I am now at 21 buy-ins to the bad.

I have lost track of the number of two-outers that have hit me, after getting money all in. Last night, for example, I got my money in the pot six times where I was an 80% or better favorite. I won ONE of those hands. I understand that this is part of the game, but I am unaccustomed to having so many of these type beats in such quick succession.

I wish I could offer some magic bullet that would cure what you and I are going through, but my plan is to re-read a couple of poker books, make sure that my game is still sound, and get back into it when I feel confident again.

I am a winning poker player. My poker tracker shows a steady upward trend in my profit, until the last six weeks or so. I know I will recover, but this run really has thrown me for a loop.

Good luck and I hope to see a follow-up to this thread reporting a big up-swing (or at least a steady win-rate) soon.

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andrew26,

Funny you should mention your story. Like you I am winning player logging over 3k SNGs. Yet, in the past couple weeks I have been plagued with horrible "luck," I guess. I've also that most of the other regulars I have played against have also been running awful as well. It's odd that so many regulars are running awful at the same time...

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Coincidence or CONSPIRACY?

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Ignoring for the moment all the smart-asses that inhabit this forum, I am running bad right now too and I can relate. I have been beating online poker for 48 months without ever having a losing month. Like you, I play in my spare time, as I am a professional by day.

I use my poker income to pay my son's private school tuition of $750 per month, and for fun stuff like family vacations, nice dinners, and for the occasional trip to Vegas for my wife and me.

Anyway, last month I had my first losing month ever. It was only a $100 loss after rakeback, but it really bothered me. I took a week off of poker, and even switched from Full Tilt to Cake Poker (I figured the $500 sign up bonus would help me recover.)

As I write this I am down 14 buy-ins for the month, after experiencing some of the worst luck I have ever seen, let alone been the victim of. Combined with last month, I am now at 21 buy-ins to the bad.

I have lost track of the number of two-outers that have hit me, after getting money all in. Last night, for example, I got my money in the pot six times where I was an 80% or better favorite. I won ONE of those hands. I understand that this is part of the game, but I am unaccustomed to having so many of these type beats in such quick succession.

I wish I could offer some magic bullet that would cure what you and I are going through, but my plan is to re-read a couple of poker books, make sure that my game is still sound, and get back into it when I feel confident again.

I am a winning poker player. My poker tracker shows a steady upward trend in my profit, until the last six weeks or so. I know I will recover, but this run really has thrown me for a loop.

Good luck and I hope to see a follow-up to this thread reporting a big up-swing (or at least a steady win-rate) soon.

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No losing months followed by one, hmm, variance catching up maybe?

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11 buyin downswing here... Unreal when you know they are going to suck out no matter how far ahead you are when you get the money in.

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sucks OP. I ususally take a few days off to clear my mind. Then study PT for holes in my game and improve on my weak points. Might wanna drop a level for a little until you can regain your confidence. Yeah, I'm new to the forums but I've been playing online since 2003.

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I've never had a losing month? I didn't know that was even possible. Play better.

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Hi all,
I am in the midst of my worse downswing ever since I started playing NL online. i play 1/2NL, anywhere from 2-4 tables and within the past couple of weeks I am stuck 20 or so buyins. i only play about 1-2 hours a day, when i get a chance to play. i'll be first to admit that im not playin well, but i also know for a fact that i am getting a real bad run of cards.
My question is, how does everyone here deal with these type of downswings? do you sit out for while? do you drop in limit? for me, its got to the point where once i sit and play, i already know i will lose. my confidence is shot and i cant get a winning streak going anymore.

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this is why, imo, the World Series of poker is decided over a unlimited-betting Hold them table. Some people, pros even, won't play unlimited-betting. They can't handle the swings. But there are others, like Grimstarr, who consider unlimited-betting the only pure game left.

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i just scrolled down and cant see a graph

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Take a breather.

Play as if -20 buy ins never occured.

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You guys stink, I've never had a losing hand.

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I don't have downswongs. You are probably a huge losing player. Sorry.

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We need:

-a graph
-an ev graph
-an allin luck graph
-pics of hot brazilian chicks

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Worst downswing ever.

http://www.golflink.com/golf-tips/ti...s/image002.jpg

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Looks like you hit the "doomswitch".

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10nl today, no mcdonalds burgers, bla bla bla.
Just dropped from 25nl to try build my roll back up, FU FULLTILT

Run bad though :<

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if your gonna rebuild a roll at .5/.10 why play at FT? There 10% rake at that game with the added bonus of the nittiest (sp?) regulars makes it the worst place to grind IMO

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dont play belown nl100 on ftp in my opinion

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you aren't playing winning poker. the only cure is to move up so you can make the money back ten times faster.

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LOL

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LOL low green line

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Worst downswing ever.

http://www.golflink.com/golf-tips/ti...s/image002.jpg

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best post in bbv ever

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200nl, i am quite good at poker

pm for coaching

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4535/superik7.jpg

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this is why people have 50-100 buy in bankrolls because 20 buy in + downswings happen. if they didn't happen then the whole idea of 50-100 buy in rolls is pointless.

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one thing i noticed among how i react and any other profesionaly poker player i know a downswing is so tough mentally to overcome to some losing 100 bucks will cause them to go higher and higher to win it back others will just be pissed off until the ship gets turned around ive had a 3 month period in which ive lost 15k but all of my poker friends call me crazy since i keep a roll of 20k still on stars and i mostly 12 table 50-1 so im way overrolled for what i play... but alot of poker is about confidence and being ok with what you lose or win in a day 2 sessions ago i played 2 tables of 5-10 and lost about 8k all in all it hurt i won back half of what i lost that day on all different stakes... but for all people there will come a point in which losing x dollars just really hurts and it wont matter how good you are at the game if you dont come up with a plan to help deal with it prior to i myself get upset when i lose 1-2k or more it hurts me 100x more then when ive won the supernova freeroll or got into the wsop from a fpp qualifier id suggest to come up with some goals to hit and just realize that everyone goes through bad runs the best players have a way to avoid tilting and making it effect there game... im hoping to get on that level(:

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200nl, i am quite good at poker

pm for coaching

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4535/superik7.jpg

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lol u suck

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No losing months followed by one, hmm, variance catching up maybe?

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Yeah, that's what I said. I understand that this happens, but I am not used to it happening for such an extended period of time.

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andrew how many hands do you play a day? you say you play in your spare time..so ~1k hands a day MAYBE? you COULD run bad for 50 days...a 50k downswing is not unheard of.

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Confidence and a big roll is the key.

I keep a rediculously huge bankroll. My fiends just think I must suck hard or I'm crazy. However I've experienced swings like yours before.

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I don't have downswongs. You are probably a huge losing player. Sorry.

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this is priceless

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orly?

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andrew how many hands do you play a day? you say you play in your spare time..so ~1k hands a day MAYBE? you COULD run bad for 50 days...a 50k downswing is not unheard of.

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I play 6 tables at FTP from about 7:30 or 8 PM until about 10 PM. I don't have my PT here on my work computer, but 1K per day isn't too far from the ballpark.

Like I said, I am taking a couple of days off, reading a couple of books, and plan to come back next week with a fresh attitude and hopefully improved confidence.

My online BR is now 20 buy-ins, getting close to where I feel uncomfortably underfunded.

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Confidence and a big roll is the key.


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I agree with this completely. When I am enjoying play, good things tend to happen. When I am fighting it, I tend to get these bad runs. I can't explain why.

The funny thing is that as a self-employed professional, I make about 15-20 times my poker income at my "real" job, yet I sweat my poker bankroll more. Strange, huh?

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Ouch, maybe drop down?

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move up in limits and sit with all your money on the table and wait for aces.


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