50NL - KT flops top two deepstacked
 

I have villain at 13.5/4.6/3.4 over 259 hands.

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MP2 ($13.65)
MP3 ($47.75)
CO ($41.25)
Button ($35.50)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($95.40)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($104.30)</font>
UTG ($49.35)
UTG+1 ($55.45)
MP1 ($29.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $5</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $3.25.

Turn: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7.5</font>, Hero calls $7.50.

River: ($26.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10.

My main question is on the flop. Should I be 3betting here? If so, to how much? Is folding an option? As played, what do you think? Personally, I'm not happy with my line, but at the time I was totally lost. After much thought, I'm still lost. Thanks in advance for your help.

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Don't overbet flop. As played, dump it on river probably.

Flop three-bet to $16 is okay. I'd shut down on that turn-card if called though. On a blank, idk, I guess commit but it's really gonna suck if he flips pocket 8s.

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On that drawy board, I 3bet the flop. Folding the flop is bad.

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you don´t beat an awfull lot on this river. i don´t like your line either.

tho as played i think turn is key. vs this opponent whe could consider bet folding turn right? when call whe try to check it down and check/fold river right?

i like bet fold turn here.

on river whe dont beat much other then AK and possible overplayed QQ/jj

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I just hit the pot button b/c I was 10-tabling, hence the overbet.

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On the river I'm looking at ~3.6:1 on a call, still fold?

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CO posted and checked when it folded to him. I guess it is possible this villian just checked two eights there, but I'd be very surprised. (Wonder what his steal rate is)

Given that, I probably 3-bet the flop here. He has Kx spades often enough or K8/T8 to justify that raise.
Turn card is obviously not a great one--I almost want to lead 2/3-3/4 pot to see how he reacts, especially if you are check-calling such an amount.

His river bet is odd, but it could easily be the flush semi-scared of the paired card...but not wanting a free SD since you checked.

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Villain's attempt to steal blinds is 50% (3/6).

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I'm looking to get it in on this flop and you got handcuffed as a result of just calling his raise here. You don't beat anything on the river so unless you think he is on total air you have to fold.

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Reraise flop as stated before. River call is def. bad. His raising range on the flop has to be good draws/8T/KT/K8/TT/88/AK. All draws hit, you chop with one hand, he checks the river with one of those, and two rivered you.

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I'm looking to get it in on this flop

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Almost 200bbs deep, really? I hope you're not advocating a shove here.

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Bet less on the flop. $1 or even $1.5 is fine. Overbetting isn't necessary. And in this case a smaller lead might have resulted in a smaller raise.

I'm usually willing to give up tons of equity OOP in unraised pots with 2-pair hands in order to avoid the reverse implied odds. 2-pair in an unraised pot is often a sucker hand, especially if straights and flushes are possible, and double especially OOP. So, I'd either fold to the big flop raise, or call the raise once to see if I hit a miracle boat on the turn, and c/f when the spade comes.

If your read on villain is that he'd raise the flop with top pair only, and then bet the turn with top pair plus one big spade, then c/c the turn and c/c the river is fine. He might show up with less than top two pair. But not very often.

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I'm looking to get it in on this flop

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Almost 200bbs deep, really? I hope you're not advocating a shove here.
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I didn't really notice how deep they were but I would probably make a $20ish 3 bet and call a shove if he does. I wouldn't just 3 bet shove all in but I would get it in here if the villian wants to. We are +ev vs everything but sets and the only one I would consider is a set of 7's.

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If I 3bet flop and he shoves, am I snapcalling or folding? I'd probably puke if he shoved over. My problem with this hand was putting him on a range of hands. I was planning to c/f river, but his river bet was so small I felt obligated to call.

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If I 3bet flop and he shoves, am I snapcalling or folding?

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You have to put him on a set to fold your hand so I'm calling here if he shoved. Like I said before, the only hand that I'm worried about is 77. I'm comfortable getting 2 BI's in as a slight favorite though if need be, some people might not be though.

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I think getting it in on the flop is ok.

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37,620 games 0.005 secs 7,524,000 games/sec

Board: 8s Kc Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.997% 57.54% 05.45% 21648 2051.50 { KhTh }
Hand 1: 37.003% 31.55% 05.45% 11869 2051.50 { TT, 88, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs, KsJs, KTs, Ks9s, K8s, Ks7s, Ks6s, Ks5s, Ks4s, Ks3s, Ks2s, QsJs, Qs9s, Js9s, Js7s, T8s, 9s7s, 7s6s, KTo, K8o, T8o }

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Well I just can't see this villain 4betting with something that I have beat. 77 didn't set up on this board

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Well I just can't see this villain 4betting with something that I have beat. 77 didn't set up on this board

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Look at Chargers post, he has a range that seems pretty accurate for what this villain would 4bet shove on the flop with and you've got great equity, so you shouldn't be afraid of getting it in.

As for the hand, from calling the flop raise onwards it just seems way too passive/weak. Pump the flop and stay in control of the hand.