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POKERSTARS GAME #13110685194: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/11/08 - 05:40:29 (ET)
Table 'Potomac' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Jordi ($212 in chips)
Seat 2: battletoad2 ($181 in chips)
Seat 3: ASPoker8 ($251 in chips)
Seat 4: Pumuckel1 ($158.20 in chips)
Seat 5: HooBangin ($263.25 in chips)
Seat 6: hannahlj ($312.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Yhufir ($98.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Colmoschin ($181.15 in chips)
Seat 9: 99killed ($197 in chips)
hannahlj: posts small blind $1
Yhufir: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ASPoker8 [Qc Ad]
Colmoschin: folds
99killed: folds
Jordi: folds
battletoad2: folds
ASPoker8: raises $6 to $8
Pumuckel1: folds
HooBangin: calls $8
hannahlj: folds
Yhufir: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd Ts Th]
ASPoker8: bets $14
HooBangin: calls $14
*** TURN *** [Qd Ts Th] [2d]
ASPoker8: checks
HooBangin: bets $26
ASPoker8: calls $26
*** RIVER *** [Qd Ts Th 2d] [As]
ASPoker8: checks
HooBangin: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ASPoker8: shows [Qc Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
HooBangin: shows [Qs Qh] (a full house, Queens full of Tens)
HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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lol, madness

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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yep, he won.

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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If you consider that winning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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lol, madness

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this is sparta!!!

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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If you consider that winning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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the monies in the pot were sent sliding towards his numbers, screen name, avatar, and box-encapsulation...not yours. get over yourself.

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[x] villain put you on pocket tens

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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If you consider that winning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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the monies in the pot were sent sliding towards his numbers, screen name, avatar, and box-encapsulation...not yours. get over yourself.

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but how much did he lose?

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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If you consider that winning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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the monies in the pot were sent sliding towards his numbers, screen name, avatar, and box-encapsulation...not yours. get over yourself.

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but how much did he lose?

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he lost alot of eeeveees but eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.

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http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/...ages/eevee.gif

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if u would have had 10's or AA would this go down as the greatest check of all time? i think so...ahahha talk about maximizing value

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if u would have had 10's or AA would this go down as the greatest check of all time? i think so...ahahha talk about maximizing value

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I have TT/AA a grand total of 0 times ever when taking this line

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if u would have had 10's or AA would this go down as the greatest check of all time? i think so...ahahha talk about maximizing value

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I have TT/AA a grand total of 0 times ever when taking this line

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Cue aejones telling me to take this line with AA and c/r river

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i was bein sarcastic man hah.....yah obv the way the hand was played out those 2 hands r ridiculously unlikely......what if he value bets the river tho say half the pot 53$$ u lay aq down?

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i was bein sarcastic man hah.....yah obv the way the hand was played out those 2 hands r ridiculously unlikely......what if he value bets the river tho say half the pot 53$$ u lay aq down?

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NO STRATEGY IN BBV

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if u would have had 10's or AA would this go down as the greatest check of all time? i think so...ahahha talk about maximizing value

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I have TT/AA a grand total of 0 times ever when taking this line

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Cue aejones telling me to take this line with AA and c/r river

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lololol

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wow, for some reason I read this as villain having AQ, which his line isn't bad, but then i rofl'ed all over the place when I read villain had QQ.

god ppl are so bad.

serious question for ASPoker8, when do you fold if villian raise flop?

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[x] uses LOL to show his superiority

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[x] uses LOL to tell villain he is laughing out loud

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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If you consider that winning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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the monies in the pot were sent sliding towards his numbers, screen name, avatar, and box-encapsulation...not yours. get over yourself.

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but how much did he lose?

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nothing

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HooBangin collected $96 from pot
ASPoker8 said, "LOL"

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he won, didnt he?

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If you consider that winning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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the monies in the pot were sent sliding towards his numbers, screen name, avatar, and box-encapsulation...not yours. get over yourself.

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but how much did he lose?

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nothing

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wrong

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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Don't you think he could squeeze some value out of AT? Maybe not... real thin. One of those spots where if he bets, hes always behind when called.

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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what the hell do you mean aces got there? does he always have aces there? see one of the problems and misconceptions that afflict noobs like you is that you watch TV poker and always try to put your opponents on exactly one hand, when it's actually correct to put them on a range of hands instead

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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Don't you think he could squeeze some value out of AT? Maybe not... real thin. One of those spots where if he bets, hes always behind when called.

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he has a full house..... a full [censored] house

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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Don't you think he could squeeze some value out of AT? Maybe not... real thin. One of those spots where if he bets, hes always behind when called.

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he has a full house..... a full [censored] house

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Obviously. However my range is so so strong that he should probably check behind the river to control the size of the pot. Does he really have equity vs my range? Seems a little frisky to try and get value. Am I really calling with AT? Naw. I'll probably just c/r him off his hand. Bet/folding the river due to poorly timed thin value bets sucks dude.

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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Don't you think he could squeeze some value out of AT? Maybe not... real thin. One of those spots where if he bets, hes always behind when called.

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he has a full house..... a full [censored] house

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Obviously. However my range is so so strong that he should probably check behind the river to control the size of the pot. Does he really have equity vs my range? Seems a little frisky to try and get value. Am I really calling with AT? Naw. I'll probably just c/r him off his hand. Bet/folding the river due to poorly timed thin value bets sucks dude.

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dude with that logic it's no wonder that your still playing $1/$2 NL while i'm already watching $200/$400 on full tilt. say the board is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...are you telling me that you are honestly considering folding there with anything? he'll overbet shove to try and get you off the chop that's bleeding omney

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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Don't you think he could squeeze some value out of AT? Maybe not... real thin. One of those spots where if he bets, hes always behind when called.

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he has a full house..... a full [censored] house

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Obviously. However my range is so so strong that he should probably check behind the river to control the size of the pot. Does he really have equity vs my range? Seems a little frisky to try and get value. Am I really calling with AT? Naw. I'll probably just c/r him off his hand. Bet/folding the river due to poorly timed thin value bets sucks dude.

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dude with that logic it's no wonder that your still playing $1/$2 NL while i'm already watching $200/$400 on full tilt. say the board is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...are you telling me that you are honestly considering folding there with anything? he'll overbet shove to try and get you off the chop that's bleeding omney

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He probably has 55. Easy fold.

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aces got there, if he bet this its a super thin value bet. most 1/2-players dont do these.

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Don't you think he could squeeze some value out of AT? Maybe not... real thin. One of those spots where if he bets, hes always behind when called.

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he has a full house..... a full [censored] house

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Obviously. However my range is so so strong that he should probably check behind the river to control the size of the pot. Does he really have equity vs my range? Seems a little frisky to try and get value. Am I really calling with AT? Naw. I'll probably just c/r him off his hand. Bet/folding the river due to poorly timed thin value bets sucks dude.

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dude with that logic it's no wonder that your still playing $1/$2 NL while i'm already watching $200/$400 on full tilt. say the board is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...are you telling me that you are honestly considering folding there with anything? he'll overbet shove to try and get you off the chop that's bleeding omney

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He probably has 55. Easy fold.

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but you still have to call because you don't want to put the image out there that you are easily bluffable. I saw this concept somewhere in an sbrugby video. Then, the next time the situation comes around you are in a position to capitalize with an aggressive call.

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Okay, let's look at this carefully.
First off, Hero raises in a 9-handed game. Now, this isn't some final table of a televised donkament where Gavin Griffin will raise Q3s just because, well - it takes a whole lot of time to zoom out from Gavin Griffin, and something interesting is bound to happen during all the time he is on camera, this is a 9 HANDED CASH GAME HAND PEOPLE. Online! Online, the play is 10 times as snug as live. A raise at a full table bloody means something!

I think it's reasonable for villain to put us on TT+ here.
Then, what happens?
Flop is QTT, villain has QQ, so that rules out QQ for us.
Our range is hence TT,JJ,KK,AA.
When we come out firing, out of position, villain has to put emphasis on the stronger end of our range.
JJ goes out the window.

Assign a weighted probability towards TT, as we might want to check our two pair hands due to position, and the hand playing very deep (> 100bb). Still, there is one combination of TT out there, and 6 each of KK and AA, so let's assume we have 1/3 quads, 2/3 overpair here. Overpairs have outs here people!

Come turn, an insignificant deuce falls, yet we thrust ourselves into a deceptive check/call, that has to set of alarm bells for villain. If we had an overpair, we must know we are beat, right? So why does hero check? Either hero holds the nuts, or he in fact IS nuts, chasing value where there is none, drawing to a measly topfull.

Now, with this weighted range, going into river, with the A falling. What could we possibly have?
I'm going to assume that villain thinks we will lay down the only hand he beats (KK) to a river bet, but goes for a clever check/raise with quads - while of course making a disciplined call with aces full.

All in all, well played villain!

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[x] bold and aggressive river tarp check

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how the hell does villain having QQ rule out QQ for us? we are two separate people

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way too much stratergies in this thread.

Only joyofpoker can make a post that long analyzing a hand and keep it funny.

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how the hell does villain having QQ rule out QQ for us? we are two separate people

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level?

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how the hell does villain having QQ rule out QQ for us? we are two separate people

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level?

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this is a matter of the actual mechanics of the game, not of strategy so nth level-thinking is not necessary

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Third nuts at full ring is like...ace high 6 max

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So much leveling going on is this thread....

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Okay, let's look at this carefully.

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Let's not.

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They always say that the best players don't play the numbers... they go with their gut. Here's to "going with your gut" and finally deciding that your opponent must have TT when he checks that river.