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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $909.50
UTG+1: $623
CO: $1528.05
Hero: $1226
SB: $1084
BB: $1035

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/qs.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/qh.png
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $95</font>, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/8s.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/7d.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/3d.png ($205, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $145</font>, CO calls.

Turn: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/4d.png ($495, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $420</font>, CO calls.

River: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/8c.png ($1335, 2 players)
CO checks. Hero??

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Shove?

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I would check behind here.

Only hands your getting value of now are 99-JJ.

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Shove?

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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?

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shove is too thin here imo without some sick history

unless i know hes a total donk/calling station - which isn't the case here

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Uhh wtf @ these responses, this is an easy shove. Very rarely are most people checking the river with anything better than QQ with these stack sizes.

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Shove?

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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?

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Like A5 said, he doesn't have a better hand too often. Just shove. Thought it was std...

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Uhh wtf @ these responses, this is an easy shove. Very rarely are most people checking the river with anything better than QQ with these stack sizes.

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Shove?

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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?

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Like A5 said, he doesn't have a better hand too often. Just shove. Thought it was std...

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I just think it's kind of a sick spot to shove.

You expect a call from a hand like 99 here? On a paired, flushing and straighting board after a 3 barrel.

I think shoving basically turns our hand into a bluff because he should never call with worse.

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Shove?

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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?

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Like A5 said, he doesn't have a better hand too often. Just shove. Thought it was std...

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I just think it's kind of a sick spot to shove.

You expect a call from a hand like 99 here? On a paired, flushing and straighting board after a 3 barrel.

I think shoving basically turns our hand into a bluff because he should never call with worse.

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Well, if we nearly always have the best hand, why should we ever check? Atleast put the decision on him and give him the chance to call with his TT or whatever. Shoving definaely doesn't turn our hand into a bluff. What better hand does he show up with here?

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Shove?

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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?

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Like A5 said, he doesn't have a better hand too often. Just shove. Thought it was std...

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I just think it's kind of a sick spot to shove.

You expect a call from a hand like 99 here? On a paired, flushing and straighting board after a 3 barrel.

I think shoving basically turns our hand into a bluff because he should never call with worse.

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Well, if we nearly always have the best hand, why should we ever check? Atleast put the decision on him and give him the chance to call with his TT or whatever. Shoving definaely doesn't turn our hand into a bluff. What better hand does he show up with here?

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With no reads on villain he could easily have any 8, 56, diamonds, full house etc.

If we knew villain was a huge donk and likely to stack off with A7 here then a shove is ok.

I just can't think of a hand he would call with that we beat with no history between the 2 of them.

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Looks like a shove and get a call from 99-JJ if he's called this far. I would have expected him to c/rai somewhere with a set or flush. Can't rele see him having 8x. I can't think of nething but shove with these stacks left on riv.

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shoveshoveshoveshoveshoveshoveshoveshoveshoveshove shoveshove


edit: go all in

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Shove?

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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?

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Like A5 said, he doesn't have a better hand too often. Just shove. Thought it was std...

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I just think it's kind of a sick spot to shove.

You expect a call from a hand like 99 here? On a paired, flushing and straighting board after a 3 barrel.

I think shoving basically turns our hand into a bluff because he should never call with worse.

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Well, if we nearly always have the best hand, why should we ever check? Atleast put the decision on him and give him the chance to call with his TT or whatever. Shoving definaely doesn't turn our hand into a bluff. What better hand does he show up with here?

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With no reads on villain he could easily have any 8, 56, diamonds, full house etc.

If we knew villain was a huge donk and likely to stack off with A7 here then a shove is ok.

I just can't think of a hand he would call with that we beat with no history between the 2 of them.

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Yes an unknown is capable of playing a better hand this way, but it's much much likelier that he has a worse hand. AA/KK almost always would have repopped either preflop, the flop, or the turn. Flushes are shoving over our turn raise or shoving the river, same with straights. If he has 8x, he is shoving the river. Besides, if he is capable of playing any eight in this manner then his range is even wider and includes more random pairs we beat.

How do you know he won't call with worse? He's already put in $660, and we have $560 ish behind on the river. He is probably calling the river with his entire range getting almost 4-1.

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the fact that anybody's suggesting not shoving is truly mind-boggling. this is 2007 for the love of christ

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the fact that anybody's suggesting not shoving is truly mind-boggling. this is 2007 for the love of christ

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i srsly hope some of you are leveling

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Some times you just have to let them decide what worse hands they can call you with. They certainly will never call with a worse hand if you don't bet it, that one thing is for sure.

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Shooove. Level or not. Shooove...Unless you're leveling my level of course.

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op just moved up, it sounds like scared money a little bit here

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Grunch.

Hero shoves.

Edit: I think you see 99-JJ here LOTS.

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fgators would def check this behind.

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Id be happy for an 8 to drop and get checked to, is this not the perfect spot for villain to try and be a hero no?

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arrrrr in is standard

this is the kind of post where if Hero had AK everyone would say c/ behind because Vil never folds any pair

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just shove and let him make the tough decisions

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Id be happy for an 8 to drop and get checked to, is this not the perfect spot for villain to try and be a hero no?

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yea seriously, i would definitely be shoving this all day

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I'd shove as well.

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Results?

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I shoved, he showed 77 [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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wtf @ him not raising flop or turn :S

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I shoved, he showed 77 [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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