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Just got this:

ABSOLUTE POKER ISSUES INTERIM STATEMENT ON SECURITY BREACH
(NOVEMBER 8, 2007) --- Absolute Poker (AP) issued the following statement today
with respect to its on-going internal investigation of the recent security breach in its
system.
“As Former Grand Chief Joe Norton, the 100% owner of AP, previously stated, Absolute
Poker will, when appropriate, issue periodic updates concerning the recent security
breach in its system. Because the Kahnawake Gaming Commission’s (KGC’s)
investigation is on-going, the information provided in this interim statement is subject to
the completion of the final KCG inquiry. Gaming Associates (GA) is in the process of
auditing AP’s systems as part of the KGC inquiry. AP continues to cooperate fully with
these investigations.
“First and foremost, we would like to assure our players, once again, that the security
breach, which resulted in unfair play, was resolved immediately after it was discovered
and confirmed, and AP’s sites are absolutely secure.
“At this point, all players known to have been adversely impacted by the security breach
have been fully reimbursed with interest. The amount that was illicitly ‘won’ by the
illegitimate accounts was approximately US$800,000. The amount reimbursed to players
by AP as a result of the security breach was approximately US$1,600,000.
“Thus far, our internal audit has uncovered the following additional information:
• “The known period of unfair playing was approximately 40 days in length,
beginning on 14 August 2007.
• “A known perpetrator was immediately terminated upon discovery of the scheme
and no longer has access to AP. AP’s internal investigation continues.
• “The system breach was the result of a recent internal software release impacting
internal reporting. The breach was exploitable only by an authorized AP person
that manipulated the internal reporting software, together with the AP gaming
software. The security breach was not, therefore, the result of an external action,
and no individual outside AP could exploit the breach.
• “There is no evidence of the current or past existence of a “super-user” account.
There is no player account in the AP system with the ability to see other players’
hole cards.
• “The names of the accounts known to have cheated are: potripper, graycat,
steamroller, doubledrag, payup, supercard55, and romnaldo. These accounts have
been closed. All players that played hands and lost funds during the period in
question, against these accounts have received refunds, plus interest, for the net
amounts lost.
• “All accounts associated with the perpetrating accounts are under investigation. If
any other accounts are deemed to have engaged in illicit activities, AP will refund
all affected players in the same manner.
• “AP can confirm that not every hand played by the perpetrating accounts during
the said period was compromised by the tool enabling the unfair advantage.
Nonetheless, AP has refunded players for the net loss resulting from every hand
played against the perpetrating accounts during the affected period.
• “All hand histories with respect to the affected period were retained by AP and
were made available to both the Kahnawake Gaming Commission and the internal
auditor for detailed review.
• “All registered accounts in the AP database are under investigation to ensure that
there are no other compromised accounts with links or associations to the closed
accounts. If the on-going investigation determines that there are any further
accounts that were used in connection with the unfair play, all affected players
will be reimbursed in full, with interest.
“AP regrets the damage that has been done to its players and to its own reputation by this
incident. We are absolutely focused on doing the right thing for our loyal customers,
employees, consultants, and business partners, and we will continue to work with the
KGC and Gaming Associates to bring this incident into the full light of day and to right
any wrongs done to innocent victims of this unfair play.
“Currently, thousands of people are playing on AP both for real money and for free. AP
is a safe, secure and fun place to play poker.”

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tl;dr

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lol

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I played Graycat before and refuse to believe that he wasn't cheating before... Once a cheater always a cheater.

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“First and foremost, we would like to assure our players, once again, that the security
breach, which resulted in unfair play, was resolved immediately after it was discovered
and confirmed, and AP’s sites are absolutely secure.


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Still laugh at AP`s definition of immediately.

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• “The system breach was the result of a recent internal software release impacting
internal reporting. The breach was exploitable only by an authorized AP person
that manipulated the internal reporting software, together with the AP gaming
software. The security breach was not, therefore, the result of an external action,
and no individual outside AP could exploit the breach.
• “There is no evidence of the current or past existence of a “super-user” account.
There is no player account in the AP system with the ability to see other players’
hole cards.


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I guess there's no benifit to them in denying the superuser account but how does this make sense in light of the two potripper tournament folds prior to user 363 arriving?

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btw I'm kinda proud of the fact that I looked over the payup HH for two minutes and instantly said '100% cheater', tyty.

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That 40 days comment is such [censored]. That pisses me off so much

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btw I'm kinda proud of the fact that I looked over the payup HH for two minutes and instantly said '100% cheater', tyty.

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lol i wonder wat tiped u off

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• “A known perpetrator was immediately terminated upon discovery of the scheme
and no longer has access to AP. AP’s internal investigation continues.

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my favorite part.

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don't spam the AP stuff with first/second/last crap

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*noted*

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don't spam the AP stuff with first/second/last crap

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Love that you left the lolz and tl;dr

Gild4modforrlzyo

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so where do they release these releases?
the newest i could find was this:

Absolute Poker Celebrates Thanksgiving with Free Turkey Bowl Tournament

yay

“ AP is a safe, secure and fun place to CHEAT at poker.”

haha

did scot tom forget to sign it or mgm or somthing or what, vatevr?

LOOOOL

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so where do they release these releases?

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I'm apparently on the hit err mailing list from spin central...

Tuco.

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• “There is no evidence of the current or past existence of a “super-user” account.
There is no player account in the AP system with the ability to see other players’
hole cards.


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WTF is this supposed to mean? If they didn't cheat by seeing the hole cards then how did they do it? Easy Button from Staples, or maybe Superman X-Ray Vision?

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“Currently, thousands of people are playing on AP both for real money and for free. AP
is a safe, secure and fun place to play poker.”

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OH REALLY [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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“At this point, all players known to have been adversely impacted by the security breach
have been fully reimbursed with interest. The amount that was illicitly ‘won’ by the
illegitimate accounts was approximately US$800,000. The amount reimbursed to players
by AP as a result of the security breach was approximately US$1,600,000.

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I still haven't gotten paid and when I looked up one of the players I had lost 4k to him.

They are so full of it.

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A known perpetrator was immediately terminated upon discovery

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lol?

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• “There is no evidence of the current or past existence of a “super-user” account.
There is no player account in the AP system with the ability to see other players’
hole cards.


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WTF is this supposed to mean? If they didn't cheat by seeing the hole cards then how did they do it? Easy Button from Staples, or maybe Superman X-Ray Vision?

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• “The system breach was the result of a recent internal software release impacting
internal reporting. The breach was exploitable only by an authorized AP person
that manipulated the internal reporting software, together with the AP gaming
software. The security breach was not, therefore, the result of an external action,
and no individual outside AP could exploit the breach.

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LOL, wow, good attempt

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Few points

-They have already issued a previous statement or leaked info(dont recall which) saying that several accounts involved were not named by 2p2. I see no such account on that list.

-Many people have been shorted or not paid, inquiries into that fact are being ignored. I personally was only shorted a few hundred, but my inquiries have gone unanswered in any fashion for 11 days now.

-Sadly, given the evidence of hands, I actually am inclinded to believe that the cheating did only start on Aug 14th

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please don't let this go away. I can feel interest is waning on this subject and by the numbers AP's business seems to have gone on rather unaffected. Their lies in the beginning totally contradict so many things in this statement it's insulting to anyone who has kept up

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Another point-

I dont buy the whole "rouge consultant" [censored] that they were spewing earlier.

There is a lot of evidence that Steamroller belonged to an AP higher up/owner. Was that account just taken over by this "rouge"?

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Let's all remind ourselves...

Account #363 was created when AP was still an embryo.
Account #363 could blatantly see the hole cards on behalf of POTRIPPER.
Account #363 was being accessed from Scott Tom's house.

Scott Tom is still the de facto owner, boss, CEO, call-it-what-you-like-this-is-his-bloody-company of Absoloot Poker.

The reason these AP statements are still pure lies is because they are still coming from the chief fraudster himself; Mr Scott Tom.

There is no reason on God's Green Earth why AP still refuses to name and shame the 'one' (ha!) cheat, nor report them to the Costa Rican police. They have cost AP $1.6m, ffs!

Oh, my mistake. There's one really obvious reason: Scott Tom.

AP is beyond salvation.

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uurrghhh, anybody know anything about the ESPN report on this, been waiting for awhile

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We are absolutely focused on doing the right thing for our loyal customers, employees, consultants, and business partners...

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Does this mean the guy that sent the excel file is getting his job back ?

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I think this part is interesting.

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• “The system breach was the result of a recent internal software release impacting internal reporting. The breach was exploitable only by an authorized AP person that manipulated the internal reporting software, together with the AP gaming software. The security breach was not, therefore, the result of an external action, and no individual outside AP could exploit the breach.

• “There is no evidence of the current or past existence of a “super-user” account. There is no player account in the AP system with the ability to see other players’ hole cards.


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There was speculation that this exploit was related to the release of the new client. They appear to be confirming this.

They also appear to be defining a super-user account as an account that someone can log into the client software with and see other players' hole cards, and that no such account exists. With that definition, I imagine this is a true statement.

I hope they eventually release more details about exactly how the system was exploited.

From the above it sounds like the new client software began reporting back information (maybe screen grabs?) that could be intercepted by something on the AP network and used to determine the user hole cards.

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-They have already issued a previous statement or leaked info(dont recall which) saying that several accounts involved were not named by 2p2. I see no such account on that list.

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I also have a vague recollection of this. Can anyone link to this?

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-They have already issued a previous statement or leaked info(dont recall which) saying that several accounts involved were not named by 2p2. I see no such account on that list.

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I also have a vague recollection of this. Can anyone link to this?

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I was told explicitly on the phone that they identified two accounts that were not mentioned. I guess that might mean the chip dump accounts, but since those accounts were mentioned I'm not sure if that's correct...

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Few points

-They have already issued a previous statement or leaked info(dont recall which) saying that several accounts involved were not named by 2p2. I see no such account on that list.

-Many people have been shorted or not paid, inquiries into that fact are being ignored. I personally was only shorted a few hundred, but my inquiries have gone unanswered in any fashion for 11 days now.

-Sadly, given the evidence of hands, I actually am inclinded to believe that the cheating did only start on Aug 14th

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This is exactly what I was thinking. How amazing are the investigators who manage to tell everyone what they already know, but at the same time, reduce it. This recent AP statement conflicts with previous statements about what they knew. The thing I am really annoyed about is that they don't give a name or anything about the programmer even now. They 'confirmed' he was part of it, so wheres the name? Its quite clear they intend on bamboozling everyone. Either the kahnawake association is getting scammed by AP or they are part of the scam.

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• “There is no evidence of the current or past existence of a “super-user” account. There is no player account in the AP system with the ability to see other players’ hole cards.


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They also appear to be defining a super-user account as an account that someone can log into the client software with and see other players' hole cards, and that no such account exists. With that definition, I imagine this is a true statement.





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Someone in management could see the hole cards in real time and react to it.

That is a super-user regardless of how they want to talk about it.

You say potato, I say potahto.
You say semantics, I say SSDY AP.

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Someone in management could see the hole cards in real time and react to it.

That is a super-user regardless of how they want to talk about it.


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Right, which is why I hope they provide more technical details about how this happened, so we can identify statements like this from them that may be technically true but deliberately misleading.

Edit: Probably should replace "hope they provide" with "we should press them for", since it is unlikely they will volunteer this information on their own.

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Isn't AP signalling something with these press releases related to the company's problems not being publiced on AP's web site Press Releases section, as opposed to the company's problems of Mattel that are publiced on Mattel's web site Press Releases section???

Regards ...

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Yeah, I replied to your post but wasn't necessarily responding to you.
You hit a point I wanted to hammer home some more.
I should have added more clarity or sumfin. It's late, I'm tired blahblahchowmeow.

I also want to hear them try to explain in actual detail any of these vague claims they've made. 100 percent agreed.


oh yeah... and SSDY AP. (part two).