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71.182.69.31 Guy in ATF talking about how he was perma-banned and needed to create a new account, he has two posts.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...7438&page=

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I banned him.

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I banned him.

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Perhaps you should edit your ban post to add "if you respect the rules and you don't draw attention top the fact that your a formerly banned user than chances are you will be fine to come back with a new user name (like KKF).

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why on earth did you ban him?

he's not ban on sight, he's just some guy who got permabanned. you're allowed to do make a new account in such an instance. you have no reason to believe he did anything more than call one guy an [censored] once, which honestly he shouldn't even be permabanned for on one account.

not all permaban posters are ban on sight, and in fact, the chuddo, bruiser, kkf, and aejones accounts are all examples of this. while you can't create an account to circumvent a temp ban, you can create an account to get around a permaban. all permabanning means is that it's time for you to try again with a clean slate.

is it smart to make your first post on a new account "omg wtf i'm permabanned?!" no. but still, it's not like the new account broke any rules at all. the new account just asked a question.

bad ban, imo.

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bad ban, imo.

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qft.

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Mostly because of this post but I see now that Ryan was talking about temp bans.

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I checked the IP, but it wasn't who I suspected it was. We had a wonderful poster show up in B&M who has 7 total posts and in those 7 posts earned a 1 day suspension and then a banning when he returned.

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Ryan:
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The other thing that concerns me about threads like this is that they are essentially large neon signs that seem to say, "Bans are meaningless, and it's really easy for the rest of you to get around them too!"


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iron,

FWIW, I would have banned the guy, if you hadn't beaten me to it.

If someone is banned permanently and comes back immediately with a different name, not mentioning that they have been banned, then, no problem as far as I am concerned.

When their first post is that they were banned, then it makes a mockery of the ultimate "punishment" if they are allowed to remain.

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All,

I think the poster has some valid points and this is a reason for having more guidelines for mods to follow in terms of appropriate punishment for different levels of offenses. A permaban for this is a complete joke compared to the type of stuff people get 1-day to 3-day bans for.

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MH,

"it makes a mockery of the ultimate "punishment" if they are allowed to remain."

I think it's pretty reasonable to mock a system where some people post horse porn and get a slap on the wrist while others use one mild profanity and get permabanned.

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Speaking within the confines of the mods' forum, I think it is totally ridiculous for any mod in any forum, including the Religious Zealots Forum, to give a permaban without a prior warning just for someone calling another poster an ass hole. Foisting the review of the plea against such an unfair ban onto the shoulders of an Admin is similarly ridiculous.

I am really pleased that iron unlocked the thread after Buzz's post, and I am hoping that readers see beyond the opening post being made by an unknown stranger that they don't actually care about.

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MH,

"if you write something inappropriate again, I'm going to ban you again. And not for a day or a week - but for an indefinite period until you deal with someone else to get reinstated."

This (from Buzz's post in ATF) also seems way out of line.

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sigh.

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cit,

Are you sighing at me or Buzz?

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Are we even sure the guy Buzz banned was the ATF OP? Buzz's ban was yesterday but the OP claims his ban was "quite a while ago".

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el d,

it ain't at you that i are sighing.

congenially yours,

cit

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He's talking about a different incident in that part of his post, iron.

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One part of Buzz's post with which I agree is when he said something like what's the point of banning you for 7 days if you only post once in every 8 days?

When I am tempbanning someone I look at his posting habits, and in such a case I would make, say, a 15 days ban instead of my intended 7 days ban, (or maybe a 9 days ban instead of my intended 1 day ban of an ass hole caller).

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Maybe we should ask Buzz to delete Alobar's disgusting new avatar?

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6681/avatarnn9.jpg

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i was really thinking about doing something about that avatar earlier today.

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MH,

"When I am tempbanning someone I look at his posting habits"

Wow, some of you guys take this modding stuff quite seriously!

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One part of Buzz's post with which I agree is when he said something like what's the point of banning you for 7 days if you only post once in every 8 days?


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Cool, so if ever I get suspended, it'll be for like 15 minutes, right?

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perhaps it would be best if buzz were to be alerted to this thread, since he's writing long prosaic passages out there in the real world while we discuss his actions without him.

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cit,

PERHAPS YOU COULD HAVE JUST SENT HIM A PM INSTEAD OF F'ING WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME BY MAKING THAT POST IN THIS THREAD, YOU DIMWIT.

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masked meanie,

to be fair, mostly i wasted my time. i'll drop him a PM now.

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i was really thinking about doing something about that avatar earlier today.

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You have a sick mind.

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Cool, so if ever I get suspended, it'll be for like 15 minutes, right?

[/ QUOTE ]Hi Die Bitter - No. You won't get suspended at all.

If someone without mod status makes a post such that I feel they should be kicked off the forum at least until they cool down, then my current intention is to ban them from posting and somehow make it clear to them that they have to deal with an administrator (Ryan Beal, or Mat Sklansky) before regaining posting privileges.

Hopefully that will only take 15 minutes.

But they'll at least be forced to make some act of contrition to an administrator before regaining posting status. And that, I think, will make them much less likely to do something amiss in the future.

A one day ban, and then a two day ban, and then a three day ban, and then a one week ban and then a two week ban (or whatever) is playing games with wayward posters. It might be fun for them, but it's no fun for me to play games with someone who makes a post any six year old should know is inappropriate on a strategy and tactics forum.

I sincerely think banning someone until they are unbanned by an administrator is a better way for wayward posters to be handled on the forums I moderate than a point system, or banning for one day, then two days, etc.

Just in case RobinCR is not the same poster as bogey1, I will make sure that I write an e-mail message to the poster I banned from posting, so that he knows he has to deal with Ryan Beal or Mat Sklansky to get his posting privileges restored.

I bear the guy no malice. I don't recall ever reading a post by him before I banned him. He's the first guy I ever banned, and hopefully the last. I am loath to ban anyone.

(Thanks for the alerts, Cit. and Mike)

Buzz
Frank Jerome

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why on earth did you ban him?

he's not ban on sight, he's just some guy who got permabanned. you're allowed to do make a new account in such an instance. you have no reason to believe he did anything more than call one guy an [censored] once, which honestly he shouldn't even be permabanned for on one account.

not all permaban posters are ban on sight, and in fact, the chuddo, bruiser, kkf, and aejones accounts are all examples of this. while you can't create an account to circumvent a temp ban, you can create an account to get around a permaban. all permabanning means is that it's time for you to try again with a clean slate.

is it smart to make your first post on a new account "omg wtf i'm permabanned?!" no. but still, it's not like the new account broke any rules at all. the new account just asked a question.

bad ban, imo.

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bad ban, imo.

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qft.

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QFT

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Buzz,

I don't think anyone is questioning your motivations. You obviously did what you thought was best for the forums as a whole. You are universally beloved as a site contributor and no doubt a lot of people have benefited by your efforts.

The problem is, and this has come up before, is that your idea of what constitutes bannable tone seems nowhere near that of the site admins' that I can tell, and apparently quite a ways from the standards that existed before you were asked to mod PLO (I think that's the forum that's causing the problems).

On top of this, the part where they must contact an admin to be reinstated is something I'm not familiar with, and more to that point while you think you're being helpful you're actually creating more work for them when it may not be necessary.

Just my thoughts.

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Apparently this group is also populated with ass holes.

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I don't know the context of this comment, but assuming he's referring to forum posters in general, I'd give this guy 5-7 days and hope he uses the "injustice" as an excuse to stay away from the forum.

Someone mentioned how people don't get this kind of punishment elsewhere. IMO, the situations aren't really comparable. OT forums are for fun. Strat forums are serious business. Posters rightfully get harsher penalties for disturbing the peace in a place where people are giving their time to help others and trying to improve their game.

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Buzz,

Please read this thread. It's a bit long, but please read the whole thing. I just think it's really funny to compare that thread to this one.

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Thanks Tug. I clean up my own messes when I can. I'll get this one all cleared up somehow (I hope).

Buzz

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El Diablo - I'll read that thread, but before I do, I want to tell you that I looked through the forum you moderate and was impressed by the many very thoughtful and intelligent posts there.

Different 2+2 forums have different standards of posting. Honestly, I think that's ideal. Indeed, I myself have different standards of behavior, depending on where I am.

For other forums, where posters are being banned a lot, perhaps being referred to an administrator would place a burden on the administrators.

However, this guy is the first poster I have banned, and hopefully the last. It's not honestly going to be much of a burden for the administrators, because I'm not planning to ban many, if any, posters in the future. If I ban anybody, it will generally be because I cannot deal with him/her myself.

Thus I still like my idea of banning posters on the forums I moderate until they deal with Ryan or Mat.

This particular time, I have inadvertently created a snarl. But hopefully I’ll get that cleared up before the evening is over.

Buzz

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Someone mentioned how people don't get this kind of punishment elsewhere. IMO, the situations aren't really comparable. OT forums are for fun. Strat forums are serious business. Posters rightfully get harsher penalties for disturbing the peace in a place where people are giving their time to help others and trying to improve their game.

[/ QUOTE ]qft (thanks Citanul).

Hi Leader - Exactly. Thanks.

Buzz

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Buzz,

I like your style.

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Buzz,

I like your style.

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Buzz is awesome. He is the most pleasant Omaha/8 player I have ever dealt to. It has been over 5 years since I dealt to him, but I will be sure to look him up the next time I am in LA.

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Buzz is awesome, but I also think we have to remember that some of the greatest contributors in the history of the omaha hi forum (not naming any names but i've learned a ton from them and say this with love) have actually been ass holes. Fwiw.