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hamnegger 11-20-2007 10:21 PM

i played aces so so bad here
 
go to town here boys. donkey city.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t6450)
BB (t16000)
Hero (t19490)
UTG+1 (t8050)
MP1 (t5300)
MP2 (t5125)
MP3 (t13929)
CO (t15655)
Button (t7750)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t900</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t2700</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t1800.

Flop: (t5575) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t2400</font>, Hero calls t2400.

Turn: (t10375) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t3900</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t10375

EroTheMad 11-20-2007 10:29 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
Slowplaying AA on this flop is mistake you should've bet like hell on that flop. That flop fits his pre-flop 3bet pairs(especially with that darned K on flop). We're only ahead of AK here and his pre-flop 3bet range crushes us on this flop. I'd fold here like you did.

b-komplex 11-20-2007 11:00 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
This is AK enough that you check shove the turn I think


Board: 7s Qd Jd Kc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.886% 40.06% 04.83% 282 34.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 55.114% 50.28% 04.83% 354 34.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

PrimetimeUNH 11-20-2007 11:33 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
i'd probably c/r the flop to ~7k then [censored] my pants if he pushed all in either here or on that turn.

gtpitch 11-20-2007 11:37 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
Can I ask why not 4 bet him preflop?

PrimetimeUNH 11-20-2007 11:42 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
i like calling here pf like half the time because you can usually expect a decent sized c-bet on most flops. Calling this flop is horrible though imo.

hamnegger 11-20-2007 11:57 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
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Can I ask why not 4 bet him preflop?

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bc i played it like crap. i was going to c-rai him but i slowed down bc jj qq are a good part of his 3bet range so i figured wa/wb scenario. then k on turn is bad bc i cant beat kk now. i just said f-it i played it like crap im bailing before i lose it all.

Unphased 11-20-2007 11:58 PM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
I really like the preflop play... flatting is awesome, cause they always c-bet.... c/r all in is the only real flop line tho. After that, your hand just looks to strong to be anything besides AA or a set... so villain is likely to shut down. If your line with a draw would be to c/r all in on flop, than you have to do it with AA some of the time too.

Sherman 11-21-2007 12:02 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
4-Bet PF.

homanga 11-21-2007 01:04 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
4-Bet PF or Raise Flop

omg im l337 11-21-2007 01:37 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
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4-Bet PF or Raise Flop

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early325 11-21-2007 01:46 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
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4-Bet PF.

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ElBandito 11-21-2007 02:15 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
I think you should 4-bet PF as well, but good fold at the end.

hagbard celine 11-21-2007 02:21 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
Ok, a few things.

First, any reads on MP3 would be very helpful. I don't think you misplayed this too bad, but a note or observation on Villain's play would be helpful in suggesting a different line.

Second, I think that flatting PF with AA is a fine play, especially at levels where Villains never expect AA because, well, you would have 4bet PF, right?

However, I like to do it against certain opponents, really loose non-thinking morons for the most part, and we're not sure if that is this Villain. He's put in a decent chunk of his stack from MP3 against an EP raiser, and so I'm thinking that he'll get the rest of it in PF. So this is a situation where I'd probably 4bet.

SuperUberBob 11-21-2007 05:16 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
Shove preflop. I've been pushing my big pairs real hard before the flop lately and people seem unable to lay down a hand after they re-raise.

SengioKang 11-21-2007 06:22 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
SHOVE SO HARD PRE AND TAKE THE BAD BEAT LIKE A MAN [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] if he has trips u got 6 outs.... and u're the bigger stack and even if you call and lose you doink down to 6k which is still M=15 w/ some room to maneuver.

i think he had AK A10 NOOOOO WAY

instashove and fistpump like uberbob's codemonkeys icon

TheFoxNL 11-21-2007 08:18 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
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4-Bet PF.

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OrrLives 11-21-2007 08:22 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
If you think he will cont bet, you might as well just 4bet small (like 1/2 the pot) which will force him to call. You get the same amount of chips as if he cont bet and you have an automatic flop push.

PBFan 11-21-2007 08:38 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
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4-Bet PF or Raise Flop

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ThePershore 11-21-2007 09:18 AM

Re: i played aces so so bad here
 
Shove pf or CRAI flop.


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