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obloni 02-28-2007 06:11 PM

$10NL - Q10o on button
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($5.83)
MP1 ($6.31)
MP2 ($9.46)
CO ($3.56)
Hero ($11.15)
SB ($14.31)
BB ($8.98)
UTG ($2.68)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.23, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.05) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets $0.5,
MP1 calls $0.50,
MP2 calls $0.50,
Hero ???

TheBob 02-28-2007 06:12 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
raises...

obloni 02-28-2007 06:15 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
by how much?

eternal_ 02-28-2007 06:17 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
to 2,50, I consider that good.

Entropy4 02-28-2007 06:36 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
Yep... raise/re-raise everything. Take it to the felt if possible, the sooner or the better, don't want anyone hitting a heart flush.

obloni 02-28-2007 06:41 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
I was thinking of $2.50 myself as well, but I was afraid it would have been to small since SB could have an ace himself and called, thus giving the MP's more than 3:1 for their money if they did have a flush draw.

Thremp 02-28-2007 06:43 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
Fold preflop. Raise flop.

Jestli 03-01-2007 04:43 AM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
Id stay away from gettin involved with those weak queens just fold them preflop unless u have KQ AQ. Playin hands like that against four players usually just gets u in trouble. seein as u did get a nice flop tho i would reraise to whatever the pot is to get those limpers out u have the nuts so theres no reason to let the 3 others stay in and possibly hit a flush

iamVillaiNmo 03-01-2007 04:47 AM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
You probably do lose some money on these hands.

I dont think the call is horrible if he is able to extract maximum value on a hand.

At these stakes people will felt this flop constantly.

Raise that flop a little less than the pot and keep beting.

Sir Winalot 03-01-2007 04:52 AM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
[ QUOTE ]
to 2,50, I consider that good.

[/ QUOTE ]
I would consider that quite small. I'd make it a potsized raise (to 3.5). Also, I would fold preflop, QTo is a bad hand and your average 5nl villain won't fold to a steal preflop.

Even though the play down there is quite bad, you will most probably have troubles extracting money postflop (discounting a flop like this). Try to think about what kind of flop you would wan't to hit and what hands would pay you of on that flop.

iamVillaiNmo 03-01-2007 04:54 AM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
[ QUOTE ]
Even though the play down there is quite bad, you will most probably have troubles extracting money postflop (discounting a flop like this). Try to think about what kind of flop you would wan't to hit and what hands would pay you of on that flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

Niiiice

FuriousD 03-01-2007 05:31 AM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
Raising here is bad and raising this amount is aweful -- the hand isn't nearly good enough for us to want a bigger pot. I would limp behind because every villian has a stack size of 100 BB or more. We have position and can really get payed off if we get a big hand.

On the flop, raise to protect your hand and to build the pot. Since the sb didn't bet all that much and you have position, your bet won't necessarily be all that scary to the villains despite its size. You probably get at least one or more players who will stick around or even try to make a move.

Archon_Wing 03-01-2007 02:59 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
Hmm... So QTo isn't good enough to be played? What if it were sooted?

RollTide77 03-01-2007 03:18 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hmm... So QTo isn't good enough to be played?

[/ QUOTE ]I don't know about that. Its not like you're in MP or even CO. You're on the button. Last to act on each street so you can decide whether or not to move on based on what happens in front of you. But if you play these you need to understand that if a Q hits on the flop and you're in with 3 other players you probably do not have the best hand. The guy with AQ or KQ does. But if QTX flops or a SD then by all means play it as long as X &lt; T

ben wb 03-01-2007 07:09 PM

Re: $10NL - Q10o on button
 
I don't mind the raise preflop to punish the limpers but I'm very aggressive on the button and wouldn't raise it from any other position after two limpers, full ring makes it closer to a fold though but I think it's fine to raise as long as you play ok preflop and raising&gt;limping behind IMO, my vpip/pfr with QTo on the button is 75/75 over last 20k hands and it's a winning hand for me so far, obviously sample size is not big enough to really know but I'm also winning with most similar hands. I definitely don't think raising is a big leak but folding is also fine.

I'm raising on this flop to about tree fiddy.


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