very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

ok so i just finished a 10/20 session where a very interesting spot came up. The game haso nly been running an hour and it is made up of passive donks, 1 decent live pro, and adz124. so ep limper i bump it to 75 in the CO with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] button calls,sb and bb both call ep limper calls. Flop come Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ot checks around. Turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] checks to me i bet 200, button raises to 500(button is the decent live player)(effective stacks:3k) fold back around to me. Whats the play???

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

call and fold a blank river? you see a set here enough to call...

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whoa - i fire that flop every time.

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

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ok but assume you didnt...because in this game firing that flop into the 4 other guys in the hand is kinda bad. I don't always check but i do a lot of the time.

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

where was this played? oh and isnt a call standard here?

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i think u call and fold to a blank river...if the guy on the button is passive then he certainly just woke up with something......u are certainly getting the proper odds to draw to your flush and inside straight draw....

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

$1400 to go.
Bet any river.

Are you calling here with a set?

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

Are you checking f1op with a set?

Seems 1ike a pretty easy ca11 on turn.

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

i made it 1400 to go with the plan of calling a shove and shutting down on a blank river if he flatted. Against some players i may fire another bullet if i miss but i know this particular villain isnt calling my 3 bet with a draw

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

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Are you checking f1op with a set?

Seems 1ike a pretty easy ca11 on turn.

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yes i 50/50 check the flop with a set as well

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

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i think u call and fold to a blank river...if the guy on the button is passive then he certainly just woke up with something......

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(button is the decent live player)(effective stacks:3k)

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$1400 to go.
Bet any river.

Are you calling here with a set?

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dont like this, your draw is very concealed you wont have issues getting value if you get there. what exactly do you represent by checking behind flop and bet threebetting the turn anyway?

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

i don't like 3betting turn either, you are OOP and if he just calls and you blank out on river, it's a [censored] what do i do now. i would just call turn as well and prob shut down if we don't get there. i see us getting paid off a lot if we hit on river

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

I would repop him beacuse what do you put him on that he did a double check then raise with a drawing board on the turn. I think he would lead out with a set or two pair on the turn. This is an easy re raise IMO. At worst your a 70 30 to win. Counting the FE i think this play is without a doubt +EV.

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

The price on the turn is too good to raise the pot here and possibly get bet off of the draw. Also, since all of your draws are backdoor, they'll be harder to put you on when they hit. If he has a set and you make the straight, you're gonna get paid pretty well.

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

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$1400 to go.
Bet any river.

Are you calling here with a set?

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dont like this, your draw is very concealed you wont have issues getting value if you get there. what exactly do you represent by checking behind flop and bet threebetting the turn anyway?

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If we call here are we checking every river? I agree that our draw is very concealed, but I don't know if we get paid off on a spade river a lot here. We should obviously be c/ring river if we hit a straight but are we doing the same with a flush?

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

I think your turn and river actions are really read dependant here.

1. What do you think he has - weak or strong?
2. What does he think you have - weak or strong?

If you think he is weak or if he thinks you are weak then you raise on turn.

If you think he is strong or if he thinks you are strong then you smooth call hoping to hit your hand.

The tough part is the uncertainly if he calls your raise. Is he on a draw of some sort of his own? I make my river decision based on his reaction to the turn raise.

I'm sticking it in on river if I think he was drawing and the draws miss. Or, I going allin if I suspect he is floating thinking I am making a move of my own with a weak hand (missed AK, etc).

Otherwise, I'm checking unless I miss my hand.

Interesting hand.

From reading this, I think he is not that strong and trying
to define your (and his) hand with a raise on turn.

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

I think call is the right play almost every time, regardless of villain's tendencies

Re: very interesting spot; live 10/20
 

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i don't like 3betting turn either, you are OOP and if he just calls and you blank out on river, it's a [censored] what do i do now. i would just call turn as well and prob shut down if we don't get there. i see us getting paid off a lot if we hit on river

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whoa - i fire that flop every time.

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Wtf, into 4 people? That's a terrible idea.