zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!
 

villian is semi-lag, my image should be lag. i have a note saying that he 3 bets light. button is a 2 + 2'er so villian may be thinking that i am 3 betting light here therefor 4 ballnig light.

based on his bet sizing i really dont think he has AK here so that leaves only AK and maybe random AJ a10 hands that he may have 4 bet me with.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $1,419.00
BB: $1,932.00
UTG: $970.00
CO: $1,556.00
BTN: $2,547.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $30.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $125.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $315.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $190.00

Flop: ($660) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $300.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $1,104.00</font>,

soooo thoughts?

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i think you can c/c and accomplish the same thing.

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how? if i c/c then it checks down i can lose to QQ KK**

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dont think he has KK/QQ when he bets flop..

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yeah this is retarded imo

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I like it, does AJ ever call here? Ax? If he 4balls light with Ax, this is perfect.

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I like it, does AJ ever call here? Ax? If he 4balls light with Ax, this is perfect.

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pretty sure if he is betting like this wiht Ax, its to induce a shove

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calling with Ax here HAS to be burning money, right?

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induce a shove from what.... who bluffs in a 4 bet pot?

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calling with Ax here HAS to be burning money, right?

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bet/folding Ax is burning money.

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calling with Ax here HAS to be burning money, right?

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bet/folding Ax is burning money.

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I can't see you on aim so I can't discuss with you &lt;/3

I really really really don't see anything but AK rrai here, if i was villain.

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I don't like bluffing bluff-inducing bets.

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what are you repping? you wont cold call AK so how can you have an ace.

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praetor, are you suggesting villain might call with a hand worse than JJ since hero is repping nothing? if not, then what tcorb is repping is unimportant.

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he suggested in a post above that if he c/c and checks down he will lose to KK/QQ so he clearly thinks they are in his betting range here, if they are i dont think they are ever folding because we cant really have an ace

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dont think he has KK/QQ when he bets flop..

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I disagree. A lot of villains w/ KK when an ace flops will still bet under the thinking of "omg, a GD ace flopped, but [censored] I can't check and show weakness b/c then he may bluff me off the best hand on the turn/river w/ big bets. Ok, i'll be half pot."

That being said I usually turbo-muck this pf. If you truly think he be 4-balling light, then shove it in pf. Flat-calling is pretty bad - you are putting a ton of money into the pot, you are oop, and overs are likely to hit anyway. I mean even if the flop comes 9 high, you check and he shoves - are you thrilled to be calling?

As played, I think the shove is not great. OP stated at the outset that he felt the BB could've been 4-betting w/ something like AJ - and he's ain't folding that on the flop. However, if your read was that his weak flop bet was KK/QQ, then obviousy the shove is sexy...I just don't see how you know what the flop bet can't be an ace. I would need a really sharp read on villain b4 I pulled this move.

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i could have AK here if that makes any diff although villian prob doesnt know that. i could also have AA??? i dont see why that isnt in my range? actually prob wouldnt shove AA there now that i think about it but blah.

alot of what irish said is what i was thinking.

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he suggested in a post above that if he c/c and checks down he will lose to KK/QQ so he clearly thinks they are in his betting range here, if they are i dont think they are ever folding because we cant really have an ace

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For better or worse, I've flat-called 4-bets w/ AK against bluffy villains (and i've seen opponents do it to me). Or are you suggesting that AK would never cr-shove this "safe" flop? With so much money in the pot after the flop bet, I'd have to disagree. So while a bit less likely, OP could easily have an A in this spot.

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dont think he has KK/QQ when he bets flop..

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Yea I'm pretty sure this flop bet is either an A or air, so I don't like this, and I don't think he's folding any A here that he's betting on the flop with.

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why would an A bet the flop? what hands is Ax gettin value from?

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why would an A bet the flop? what hands is Ax gettin value from?

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To induce a shove all in JJ? What would you do in this spot with KK out of curiosity?

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i would rarely be in this spot oop 150 bb deep with KK but prob id prob c/f that flop.

btw i rarely and i mean [censored] rarely have seen someone all out bluff in a 4 bet pot.

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yeah I mean if you do this its because your equity is good enough because he is C'betting his random pf 4 bet stabs, not because you think he is gonan fold an ace...


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calling with Ax here HAS to be burning money, right?

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bet/folding Ax is burning money.

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fold &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;shoving &gt;&gt; calling preflop

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POKERSTARS GAME #11527193814: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/08/16 - 21:31:20 (ET)
Table 'Hekate V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: suckoutqueen ($970 in chips)
Seat 2: loosefer ($1556 in chips)
Seat 4: DerekJC9954 ($2547.50 in chips)
Seat 5: -GeT Loo$e- ($1419 in chips)
Seat 6: KELSEY_GREEN ($1932 in chips)
-GeT Loo$e-: posts small blind $5
KELSEY_GREEN: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KELSEY_GREEN [Td 5d]
suckoutqueen: folds
loosefer: folds
DerekJC9954: raises $20 to $30
-GeT Loo$e-: raises $95 to $125
KELSEY_GREEN: raises $190 to $315
DerekJC9954: folds
-GeT Loo$e-: calls $190
*** FLOP *** [Ah 4h 4c]
-GeT Loo$e-: checks
KELSEY_GREEN: bets $300
-GeT Loo$e-: raises $804 to $1104 and is all-in
KELSEY_GREEN: folds
-GeT Loo$e- collected $1258 from pot
-GeT Loo$e-: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1260 | Rake $2
Board [Ah 4h 4c]
Seat 1: suckoutqueen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: loosefer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DerekJC9954 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 5: -GeT Loo$e- (small blind) collected ($1258)
Seat 6: KELSEY_GREEN (big blind) folded on the Flop

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sick

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so infuriating when they "bluff" with something like that isnt it mike?

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so infuriating when they "bluff" with something like that isnt it mike?

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i know what a donk

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lol, v. nice