Three tables combine intw two in MTT, where should the button be?
 

One of three tables of a MTT is broken up and the players from that table fill up the open seats at the other two tables. I'm at one of those tables and the hand before the break up the situation was as follows:

Seat 1: occupied
Seat 2: occupied, has the button
Seat 3: occupied, posted small blind
Seat 4: empty
Seat 5: empty
Seat 6: occupied, posted the big blind
Seat 7: occupied
Seat 8: occupied
Seat 9: empty
Seat 10: occupied

In this hand, seat 3 goes broke, so there are 4 open seats which all get filled by players from another table.

If seat 3 hadn't gone broke, he would have gotten the button, seat 6 would post the sb, seat 7 the bb, seat 4 and 5 would have to wait till the button passes and seat 9 would be dealt in, right?

What is the correct position of the button now that seat 3 busted and who gets to play?

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Dead Button, Seat 6 is SB, Seat 7 is BB, seats 4&5 sit out this hand.

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What about the new player in seat 3?

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here's what we do at our weekly tourneys. It saves problems.

Everytime we break a table, we re-button.

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Dead button in Seat 3. Seats 3, 4, and 5 sit out this hand.

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Nothing changes...IF you come in ON or infront of the button, you wait 1 hand for the button to completly pass. then play resumes normally. There is no reason to rebutton if the TD knows what he/she is doing.

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just redeal 4 the freakin button and get on w/ it .. no need for no-euclidian math BS

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What about the new player in seat 3?

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Technically, seat #3 is allowed to "assume the button". But seats #4 and 5 still must sit out for a hand.

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At my casino the button stays in seat two. The new players in seats 3-5 sit out one hand.

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The button remaining in Seat 2 is the same as a dead button.

I really don't like the idea of redrawing for the button when new players join a table. If everybody's redrawing for the final table or something, fine, but not when a table breaks and joins existing tables.

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we like the idea of redrawing. It works out great. We had too many times where someone just left the BB form one table and comes over to the next table and realizes he will be back in the BB in 1 hand.
We found the fairest way overall was to just rebutton.

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If you are using the TDA rules players moved form a busted table assume the rights and responsibilities of their position so the player moved into seat 3 will get dealt in on the button.

The small blind follows the large blind so seat 6 will be the small bind, obviously seat 7 will be the large blind.

players taking seat 4 and 5 will be dealt out this hand because the one place you can't get dealt in is between the button and the small blind.

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we like the idea of redrawing. It works out great. We had too many times where someone just left the BB form one table and comes over to the next table and realizes he will be back in the BB in 1 hand.
We found the fairest way overall was to just rebutton.

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This logic makes no sense to me? are you saying that when you redraw for the button players never have to post the BB twice?

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sure they do... but it's just as fair this way and way less comfusing for a 40 person MTT every week when the only players who understand the rules aren't there every week. And I hate explaining everytime.

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sure they do... but it's just as fair this way and way less comfusing for a 40 person MTT every week when the only players who understand the rules aren't there every week. And I hate explaining everytime.

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Horrible way to do things. Imagine a 60 table tourney, rebuys the first hour. Soon as hour two begins, people start dropping like flies. A table will bust every 5 minutes for a while with players propogating all over the room. You do not redraw for the button simply because one new player out of nine arrives... you'd be redrawing essentially every time someone busts. NO.

You say it's not fair to the person who just left a broken table. Sometimes it is not, that's true. But what about being fair to the 9 folks at the table this guy is coming in to? What seat he drops into is random--just as random as where the button will be if you force the whole table to redraw. But by forcing the whole table to redraw, you're greatly increasing the number of people potentially being screwed, while making the situation absolutely no better at all for the person coming in.

Mind you, this isn't as bad as the rule foisted on us in a bar poker tourney once, where anytime a new player arrived at the table the button was instantly moved to the player with the most chips. Because, see, "it's the only fair thing to do".

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And as for three combining into two tables... It's pretty common in tourneys to redraw for seats for the final two tables rather than only redrawing for the final table. Not universal, by any stretch, but common.

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At the amateur poker tour I used to play at, the rule was to re-deal for button if half the people at the re-formed table were new. So in a case where four sat down at a table that had four to make a total of eight, they'd redeal for button. I thought it seemed pretty fair that way.


jb

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If you are using the TDA rules players moved form a busted table assume the rights and responsibilities of their position so the player moved into seat 3 will get dealt in on the button.

The small blind follows the large blind so seat 6 will be the small bind, obviously seat 7 will be the large blind.

players taking seat 4 and 5 will be dealt out this hand because the one place you can't get dealt in is between the button and the small blind.

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Thanks all for the replies. The above was how it was handled by the TD.

Re: Three tables combine intw two in MTT, where should the button be?
 

When moving from a broken table in a MTT you can assume the button or the big blind or the small blind if the situation allows for it.