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excellent!

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id pay so much ($25) for that shirt.

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BTYS = Mortal Nuts.

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btw is it getting really really really annoying (but fading into hilarious) how espn/everyone keeps referring to it as "the division once known as one double a" or "what was once known as one double a" or "the subdivision which for simplicity's sake i'm just going to call one double a"

its freaking me out

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also i love all the pics of the really sad michigan fans

as a maryland alum (yeah i know, app state probably beats us too), it reminds me of this, and makes me smile:

http://www.beaumonde.net/weblog/imag...Kid-Crying.jpg

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although the fact that i have to reach back that far to relive the glory of making other fans cry makes me sad for the current state of maryland sports

gonna stop spamming now. glory glory appy state:

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I'm a bit surprised at the sentiment that this is "the greatest upset in college football history." Appalachian State has won back to back Division I-AA championships. Should Michigan have won this game comfortably? Absolutely. Is Appalachian State better many of the Division 1 patsies that most teams open the season with (and from time to time lose to)? Without a doubt.

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also i love all the pics of the really sad michigan fans

as a maryland alum (yeah i know, app state probably beats us too), it reminds me of this, and makes me smile:

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] duke kid crying

LOLOL

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I'm a bit surprised at the sentiment that this is "the greatest upset in college football history." Appalachian State has won back to back Division I-AA championships. Should Michigan have won this game comfortably? Absolutely. Is Appalachian State better many of the Division 1 patsies that most teams open the season with (and from time to time lose to)? Without a doubt.

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they're decidedly worse than every team in the Big11Ten

I don't think many of you fathom the difference in size, speed, and talent between the levels...it's huge

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I'm a bit surprised at the sentiment that this is "the greatest upset in college football history." Appalachian State has won back to back Division I-AA championships. Should Michigan have won this game comfortably? Absolutely. Is Appalachian State better many of the Division 1 patsies that most teams open the season with (and from time to time lose to)? Without a doubt.

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they're decidedly worse than every team in the Big11Ten

I don't think many of you fathom the difference in size, speed, and talent between the levels...it's huge

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not so sure about that. if you take the 10 worst Northwestern teams from the last 20 or 30 years, i bet it would be close.

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no...it wouldn't

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they're decidedly worse than every team in the Big11Ten

I don't think many of you fathom the difference in size, speed, and talent between the levels...it's huge



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We may have the size, speed, and talent, but we also have Carr, DeBord, and English. That goes a long way to leveling the playing field with any D 1-AA team.

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just saw Hart didn't play for a couple quarters

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Are they going to play a decent non-conf. sched. next year? Cupcakes like UM just don't prepare you for the real season.

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also i love all the pics of the really sad michigan fans

as a maryland alum (yeah i know, app state probably beats us too), it reminds me of this, and makes me smile:

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] duke kid crying

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no...it wouldn't

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then why was app st only a 27 point dog? in recent years the big ten patsies like illinois, northwestern, and indiana have been much bigger dogs against michigan or OSU.

if you were to take this app st team and match them up against the worst team from the big ten in the last 10 years and play them 100 times -- how many would app st win and what would the point spread be?

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I'm a bit surprised at the sentiment that this is "the greatest upset in college football history." Appalachian State has won back to back Division I-AA championships. Should Michigan have won this game comfortably? Absolutely. Is Appalachian State better many of the Division 1 patsies that most teams open the season with (and from time to time lose to)? Without a doubt.

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they're decidedly worse than every team in the Big11Ten

I don't think many of you fathom the difference in size, speed, and talent between the levels...it's huge

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is wrong. They couldn't compete week and in week out with the likes of Ohio State and Wisconsin, but they'd definitely be favored over Indiana or Northwestern on a neutral field. Again, just look at the point spread going into the game. I think that if Appalachian State played in the MAC this year, they'd be somewhere around 6-2 and competing for a conference title.

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Hey, NU took care of business today. Insight.com Bowl or bust, baby.

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I'm a bit surprised at the sentiment that this is "the greatest upset in college football history." Appalachian State has won back to back Division I-AA championships. Should Michigan have won this game comfortably? Absolutely. Is Appalachian State better many of the Division 1 patsies that most teams open the season with (and from time to time lose to)? Without a doubt.

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they're decidedly worse than every team in the Big11Ten

I don't think many of you fathom the difference in size, speed, and talent between the levels...it's huge

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i think you're confusing Div I--AA with Div III

appalachian state is better than a lot of Div I A teams.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

53 Appalachian State AA = 73.36 14 1 53.93( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.12 44 | 72.01 55
54 Houston A = 73.11 10 4 64.44( 100) 0 0 | 0 1 | 71.85 56 | 73.76 51
55 Alabama A = 73.10 6 7 73.69( 30) 0 2 | 1 5 | 69.24 63 | 76.94 42
56 Central Michigan A = 73.05 10 4 64.74( 97) 0 1 | 0 3 | 73.55 47 | 71.94 57
57 North Dakota State AA = 71.81 10 1 56.03( 138) 0 0 | 0 0 | 73.28 48 | 69.82 64
58 Nevada A = 71.62 8 5 65.11( 94) 0 1 | 0 2 | 66.80 74 | 76.75 43
59 Massachusetts AA = 71.24 13 2 56.17( 135) 0 0 | 0 0 | 73.00 49 | 69.01 71
60 Kansas State A = 70.77 7 6 71.64( 47) 0 1 | 1 3 | 70.78 60 | 70.11 63
FINAL College Football 2006 through games of 2007 January 8 Monday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 1.94 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
61 San Jose State A = 70.70 9 4 64.03( 105) 0 1 | 0 2 | 72.24 53 | 68.65 72
62 Purdue A = 70.36 8 6 69.33( 67) 0 1 | 0 4 | 71.99 55 | 68.22 74
63 Vanderbilt A = 69.90 4 8 73.78( 29) 0 2 | 1 6 | 68.17 66 | 71.06 59
64 Kansas A = 69.42 6 6 67.42( 80) 0 0 | 0 1 | 66.52 76 | 71.91 58
65 Tulsa A = 69.37 8 5 65.77( 92) 0 0 | 0 1 | 67.78 68 | 70.37 62
66 Syracuse A = 69.00 4 8 75.86( 14) 0 2 | 0 4 | 67.73 69 | 69.65 66
67 East Carolina A = 68.88 7 6 68.08( 76) 0 1 | 0 1 | 67.68 70 | 69.46 67
68 Virginia A = 68.78 5 7 71.18( 54) 0 0 | 0 1 | 67.57 71 | 69.36 69
69 Western Michigan A = 68.69 8 5 64.12( 102) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.38 72 | 69.38 68
70 Montana AA = 68.62 12 2 56.01( 139) 0 0 | 0 0 | 71.48 59 | 65.43 86
FINAL College Football 2006 through games of 2007 January 8 Monday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 1.94 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
71 Youngstown State AA = 68.55 11 3 59.49( 123) 0 0 | 0 1 | 69.93 62 | 66.62 83
72 Wyoming A = 68.54 6 6 69.21( 70) 0 1 | 0 3 | 66.13 78 | 70.44 61
73 Connecticut A = 68.26 4 8 74.52( 22) 0 2 | 0 4 | 68.51 64 | 67.39 80
74 Mississippi A = 68.05 4 8 74.56( 21) 0 1 | 0 6 | 68.01 67 | 67.46 79
75 NC State A = 67.48 3 9 73.65( 31) 0 0 | 1 2 | 65.20 83 | 69.22 70
76 James Madison AA = 67.17 9 3 55.88( 143) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.10 86 | 69.81 65
77 Ohio University A = 66.83 9 5 63.68( 106) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.31 82 | 67.76 75
78 Mississippi State A

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Makes me feel a little bit better about our riots @ Umass when we lost to App. State in the championship last December.

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This was a really unexpected great sports day. VA Tech started it off, obviously that goes well beyond sports. Then this upset, just crazy. Then the no hitter.

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arnold_O

you should know that the sagarin mechanism you are using is flawed when comparing teams across divisions. Severley flawed.

The worst big ten team should be about a 10 point favorite at home verse App St

It was an amazing upset and my hats off to app st. They still couldn't come close to competing week in and week out. They'd beat them every once in awhile, but the weak big11ten team would dominate.

Let's goto last year where there were a handful of relevant experiences.

2-6 Big11Ten team Iowa pummeled Montana (2nd highest Sagarin team at that level) 41-7
1-7 Big11Ten team Illinois pummeled Easter Illinois (coming off a 1-AA playoff appearance) 42-17
3-5 conf Minnesota squeaked by power ND St 10-9
1-7 Indiana did lose to SIU 35-28
2-6 Northwestern lost to New Hampshire 34-17

The big11ten was worse than it ever has been at the bottom last year. (*Note: This isn't some new opinion of mine, but is an opinion I posted to this forum over and over and over and over, usually in reference to Wisconsin, Michigan, and tO$U national love.) Yet, 5 of the bottom 6 in conference still took it to 1-AA when they are completely unmotivated and often underprepared.


but you're overlooking an even bigger point

those teams at the bottom of BCS conferences have enough skill, size, and talent to occassionally compete with the big schools. Small schools don't have near that much. Admittedly, the scholarship restrictions on bigger schools has caused more and more talent to filter down. It's still not enough. Being able to sometimes beat a team that can sometimes beat the behemoths of football is not the same as being able to beat the behemoths themselves.

APP St is better than about 10-15 teams of the 119 in the top level. I'd be very surprised if they could play a 7 game series against any team from the Big11Ten, Pac-10, BigXII, SEC, and ACC and pull off a winning record.

If Illinois lost to them, I'd expect Zook to get fired. I'd demand it.

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arnold_O

you should know that the sagarin mechanism you are using is flawed when comparing teams across divisions. Severley flawed.

The worst big ten team should be about a 10 point favorite at home verse App St

It was an amazing upset and my hats off to app st. They still couldn't come close to competing week in and week out. They'd beat them every once in awhile, but the weak big11ten team would dominate.

Let's goto last year where there were a handful of relevant experiences.

2-6 Big11Ten team Iowa pummeled Montana (2nd highest Sagarin team at that level) 41-7
1-7 Big11Ten team Illinois pummeled Easter Illinois (coming off a 1-AA playoff appearance) 42-17
3-5 conf Minnesota squeaked by power ND St 10-9
1-7 Indiana did lose to SIU 35-28
2-6 Northwestern lost to New Hampshire 34-17

The big11ten was worse than it ever has been at the bottom last year. (*Note: This isn't some new opinion of mine, but is an opinion I posted to this forum over and over and over and over, usually in reference to Wisconsin, Michigan, and tO$U national love.) Yet, 5 of the bottom 6 in conference still took it to 1-AA when they are completely unmotivated and often underprepared.

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Took it to them? They were 2-3, losing one game by one point....and I'm sure they were all played at the Big Ten stadiums. Your evidence isn't supporting your conclusion. Actually you're showing the playoff AA teams can play with the weak Big Ten teams and seeing the absolute best of AA (two time defending champs) beating Michigan isn't as big of an upset as we think.

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yes, i'd have to agree. illinois was probably the worst team in big ten last year but they kept it close with most of the teams and even gave OSU a scare. rutgers was the only team to blow them out.

i must be thinking of the teams like northwestern of the 70's and early 80's. these teams would lose by scores of 63-0 to Michigan and OSU


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but then again, i said if u take the worst northwestern teams from the last 30 years it would be close and u said "no it wouldn't"

i think it would be close.

if the game was played in boone, NC they'd probably be a slight favorite against some of those teams

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ummmm......I don't know what to say
the other 1-AA teams listed are right there with App St

anyway, I'll try another method
here are games played v 1-AA over the last 5 years

Penn St
2006 37-3 v Youngstown St
Iowa
2005 45-21 v N Iowa
2006 41-7 v Montana
Wisconsin
2006 34-10 v Western Ill
Purdue
2002 51-10 v Illinois St
2006 60-35 v Indiana St
Illinois
2003 49-22 v Illinois St
2004 52-13 v Florida A&M
2006 42-17 v Eastern Ill
Northwestern
2006 17-34 v New Hampshire
Indiana
2003 33-3 v Indiana St
2005 35-31 v Nicholls St
2006 28-35 v SIU
Minnesota
2002 42-0 v Texas St
2004 37-21 v Illinois St
2006 10-9 v NDST

So, basically they need the opposing team to be REALLY, REALLY bad, be completely unmotivated and underprepared, and have the opposing coach pass away (in the case of N'Western) or have a brain tumor (in the case of Indiana).

It appears that Lloyd Carr would now fall into that category.


The upset yesterday is the most ridiculous thing I've seen in my life regarding college football.

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I'm having a hard time understanding how people think that App State could contend at a D1-A level. Are you trying to tell me that their offensive line is gonna play lights out like that more than 3 or 4 times a year? You can count on your hand how many blown assignments they had I bet. I love lower divison football as I'm sure everyone knows on this board, and I praise them more so than anyone else.

But, seriously, ask Gardner-Webb, Presbytarian, among others about the idea of moving up a division. How about Newberry and how they will do next year at 1AA? App state would struggle mightly just in the Oline vs Dline.

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Yeah, doesn't that make the other case. So the lower-tier of the Big Ten was 2-3 vs. I-AA schools last year, playing either all 5 games at home or at least 4 out of 5. That would support the point that the Top 15 or so I-AA teams are about even the bottom four teams in the Big Ten. Meanwhile, Appalachian State isn't just another top team, they're the very best in I-AA, coming off back to back national titles. Based on the information you gave, Appalachian State should be comparable to at least a 4-4 Big Ten team since they have won 23 in a row against I-AA opponents and didn't have any one point "close calls" during that stretch either.

Now, I'm not saying that ASU's quite that good as the Big Ten had an unusually bad year against I-AA teams and the Minnesota/NDSU game in particular was a huge fluke. However, saying App. State is only better than 15 I-A teams is ludicrous. They're easily better than anyone in the Sun Belt and are better than half of the other mid-major schools as well. The last time a team came to I-A directly following a I-AA championship was Marshall in 1997 and they went 10-3 and won the MAC. I think if you give ASU a full schedule in any mid-major conference this season, they'd definitely finish above .500 and could compete seriously for the title in any mid-major except for the WAC or MWC.

I'd say that Appalachian State probably belong somewhere in the 40-50 range of D-I programs. They're definitely better than bottom-dwelling BCS teams such as Indiana, Stanford, and Mississippi State and are likely better than some of the middling programs like Texas Tech, Virginia and Cincinnatti as well. It's still a huge upset for them to beat Michigan and it terms of significance, it's the biggest upset in NCAAF history, but in terms of just being surprising, it's less of an upset than Temple over Virginia Tech and less of an upset than an Illinois win over Ohio State would have been last year had the Illini held on.

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This new list that MyTurn has includes a lot of 3-8 type I-AA teams. Of course they can't compete, no one said they can. However, Appalachian State was the elite of the elite, the best program in all of I-AA. Give them Purdue's schedule and they win at least 6 games. Give them Eastern Michigan's and they probably win 9.

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This new list that MyTurn has includes a lot of 3-8 type I-AA teams. Of course they can't compete, no one said they can. However, Appalachian State was the elite of the elite, the best program in all of I-AA. Give them Purdue's schedule and they win at least 6 games. Give them Eastern Michigan's and they probably win 9.

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No. No. No. Don't let me forget No.

The difference in athletic ability between the players in Appalachian State's program and, say, Purdue's program is incomprehensible. Their recruiting pools are miles apart.

App State got lucky against a poorly coached, under prepared Michigan team. Purdue probably beats them 8 times out of 10, especially in a meaningful game.

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The last time a team came to I-A directly following a I-AA championship was Marshall in 1997 and they went 10-3 and won the MAC.

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good point!

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This new list that MyTurn has includes a lot of 3-8 type I-AA teams. Of course they can't compete, no one said they can. However, Appalachian State was the elite of the elite, the best program in all of I-AA. Give them Purdue's schedule and they win at least 6 games. Give them Eastern Michigan's and they probably win 9.

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The real question is whether or not UM could win 6 games with App State's schedule.

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I never said Appalachian State was better than Purdue. I think Purdue probably wins 8 games with Purdue's schedule and they'd certainly be favored over ASU on a neutral field. I'm just saying that ASU could compete with the Big Ten's lower tier and is probably better than half of the FBS.

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Greatest Upset in College Sports ?????

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APP St is better than about 10-15 teams of the 119 in the top level. I'd be very surprised if they could play a 7 game series against any team from the Big11Ten, Pac-10, BigXII, SEC, and ACC and pull off a winning record.

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I can think of a couple BCS teams they could beat 4/7.

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Greatest Upset in College Sports ?????

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football v basketball

football is a much different animal and much harder to have the 'upset'

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football v basketball

football is a much different animal and much harder to have the 'upset'

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In basketball an underdog can be carried by one or two great players having incredible games.

Not to mention that Virginia was playing almost 5000 miles away.

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football v basketball

football is a much different animal and much harder to have the 'upset'

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True. But, in their respective sports UVA would have been considered stronger than UM. And, Chaminade was certainly worse than App State. Of course, UM had home field advantage while UVA did not.

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I never said Appalachian State was better than Purdue. I think Purdue probably wins 8 games with Purdue's schedule and they'd certainly be favored over ASU on a neutral field. I'm just saying that ASU could compete with the Big Ten's lower tier and is probably better than half of the FBS.

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Did everyone forget this team (App St) lost by double digits at a horrible NC St last year?

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The media is trying to do everything it can, apparently, to save Carr's job and part of that is a pro-FCS bias.

Given all this wonderful information about how close FCS schools are and how the best FCS school is around the 40th best BCS school and all that...

How come we've never seen this before? This was the first time a 1AA/FCS school has beaten an AP-ranked 1A/BCS school. Ever. If the FCS champion in a given year is the 50th best school we should see FCS schools knocking out BCS schools left and right. It's certainly not uncommon for mid-tier Big Ten/SEC/Pac10 type schools to upset top 10 schools. If FCS champions are on that level, we should see the assorted FCS playoff caliber teams that play the role of patsy beat the powers about as often as those powers lose to the crappy teams in their own conference.