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RyanCMU 08-28-2007 05:57 PM

NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
Villain is a standard NL50 TAG 19/13/3, Decent PF stats, but has some obvious leaks, that you can just tell are prevelant from watching him play. Notes read; "Can't fold an overpair 200bb deep on a 456 flop."

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($47.35)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($65)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($63.75)</font>
BB ($39.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10.50</font>, Button calls $10.50.

Turn: ($34.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Milky 08-28-2007 06:02 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
Being OOP kinda sucks here but his range is a bit wider than normal since he's raising from the button 4 handed. Does he float a lot? I'd probably c/c turn.

ryang 08-28-2007 06:07 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
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Being OOP kinda sucks here but his range is a bit wider than normal since he's raising from the button 4 handed. Does he float a lot? I'd probably c/c turn.

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.xxxx. 08-28-2007 06:08 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
def lead again, price flush draw, eliminate floats from his range, this is a situation where leading less than 2/3 pot is appropriate (God I love Professional NL)

shoxbb6 08-28-2007 06:32 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
If he can't fold an overpair I doubt he can fold top pair

RyanCMU 08-28-2007 06:39 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
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If he can't fold an overpair I doubt he can fold top pair

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And this means what... You think he has a lot of worse As in his range here?

Nick C 08-28-2007 06:40 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
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If he can't fold an overpair I doubt he can fold top pair

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I was torn on this hand, but I think this comment kind of sums it up and betting and playing for stacks if it comes to that, while probably not extremely profitable, is still probably the best option.

I think enough money went in preflop relative to the stacks that going to the felt when you hit your hand is reasonable, and Villain's apparent weakness of showing down too much does at least somewhat lessen our worries over what he's calling a big 3-bet with preflop and then calling with again on this flop.

Daniel LeClaire 08-28-2007 07:45 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
I'd CRAI. If he was floating or peeled light he might take a stab at it now. If you bet turn I think he folds just about everything you are ahead of and if he raises you have to call. Might as well CRAI and take advantage of the times that he is bluffing or betting worse.

whyherro 08-28-2007 08:59 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
Just check call. No need to crai turn.

traz 08-28-2007 11:47 PM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
c/c

RyanCMU 08-29-2007 03:41 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
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Villain is a standard NL50 TAG 19/13/3, Decent PF stats, but has some obvious leaks, that you can just tell are prevelant from watching him play. Notes read; "Can't fold an overpair 200bb deep on a 456 flop."

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($47.35)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($65)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($63.75)</font>
BB ($39.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10.50</font>, Button calls $10.50.

Turn: ($34.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

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Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $20.00</font>, Hero calls $20.00.

River: ($74.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Check/Fold? Check/Call? Shove?


***Edited to add: That I forgot to include my table image in the original post, and I think that may be important here. I was running at 19/15 at the table, and villain likely has me at similar to those stats if he has PT and PAhud. We also have no real history or significant pots vs. each other. *****

mvdgaag 08-29-2007 05:19 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
Checking this turn would leave us with $50 and a $34 pot on the river... Villain could put a lot of pressure on us if a heart comes. He might hold AK or the flush, so checking here is like giving up on the hand and hoping for a cheap showdown, which is not too bad IMO, with a dominated hands like AQ. I like betting the $20 on turn better though.

Quickly push river. Since we only have 1/2 psb left if he has us beat we are paying off anyways. If we check/fold this we seriously misplayed the hand by betting the turn IMO. We might as well put it in ourselves, since taking the pot from AK on a bluff is better than check/calling. The other hands will get our money anyways from this point if they beat us and we don't mind a weaker ace folding or even calling.

EDIT: meh, maybe i like c/c turn better. Gives us a chance to show it down cheap and fold on a heart river.

EvanJC 08-29-2007 05:30 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
c/c turn, i dunno what i like on the river.

wooziephantom 08-29-2007 06:00 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
He has an extremely good read on you if u c/c the turn and if he's good he might be able to push u off this hand on the river... Lead out again, bet 2/3 or slightly less... If he calls again, then I think there's a big probably for him checking behind on the river... If he push river after ur check well then we got a decision, and with ur read a call might be correct here.. But as mentioned I think he'll check behind most times...

crunchi 08-29-2007 06:23 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
River looks like an easy c/f.

Betting has no value or FE in my opinion. And there are very few hands that villain will bet with as a bluff.

08-29-2007 06:59 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
I would like to check/call flop here. If he checks behind on flop, bet turn. If he bets flop and you call, I doubt he will fire another bullet without AK.

mvdgaag 08-29-2007 07:41 AM

Re: NL50 - 3bet pot AQ vs tag, turn ?
 
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I would like to check/call flop here. If he checks behind on flop, bet turn. If he bets flop and you call, I doubt he will fire another bullet without AK.

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NH


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