Another annoying preflop spot with AQo
 

Live full 10/20.

UTG+1 raises. He looks like he might be steaming from the previous hand where his AK TPTK got cracked. 3 loose players cold call. I'm in the CO with AQo. I look left and notice that the button and SB are folding. BB will likely call one.

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Fold...Not only do steaming players sometimes get dealt good starting hands, but with all of these coldcallers there is a good chance that at least a couple of aces or queens will be in others' hands.

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Fold...Not only do steaming players sometimes get dealt good starting hands, but with all of these coldcallers there is a good chance that at least a couple of aces or queens will be in others' hands.

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Chesspain,

Live 10/20 games play LOOOOOOOOSE, so there is no reason to give the field credit for having anything.

OP, if you actually trust your read then call and see what happens on the flop. No point in 3 betting. You already have position apparently, and there's no use in knocking out the BB, because this only helps you if you improve, and he improves also to a have that beats you. That's not too likely.

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Um standard call pre? 3 betting in here is spewy I think, unless suited, then I 3b 60%ish pre.

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At these loose (probalby passive?) tables I'd call with AQo here in position. the only problem is that if he is sure to lead out, most of the limpers will call and you can't thin the field on the flop with a raise.
I agree with the other post that folding is probably a good option too.
3 betting is spewage

Brian

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3bet for value.

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It's close between calling and raising. If you think the raiser may be a little weak than 3betting for value is good.

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IMO it's close between all 3 options but without previous history calling is best. Snowball explained nicely why folding BB isn't really worth it and not 3betting makes the flop play better for you when you hit a pair (and when you don't hit a pair your hand is usually fair to terrible anyway). Possibly having one of the coldcallers dominated is not reason to fold. He "may be" tilting because he had one hand cracked is not conclusive enough for a 3bet.

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Yeah, this is straight from Feeney.

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OP, if you actually trust your read then call and see what happens on the flop.

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Before coldcalling here, I would want more of a read on the raiser than my perception that "he may be steaming."

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OP, if you actually trust your read then call and see what happens on the flop.

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Before coldcalling here, I would want more of a read on the raiser than my perception that "he may be steaming."

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then how wide of a range do we need to give him before calling is correct?

fwiw if no one else was in the pot i'd fold. but 3 loose callers who play bad makes this very enticing.

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Yeah, this is straight from Feeney.


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lol no. Reread feeney's essay. He doesn't say to never play it. He just says it is often wrong and is a major leak to routinely play it HU vs a raise. His scenario doesn't include a player who may be raising loose, or people in the pot providing "dead money"

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Err, I'm new to this forum. Is a 10/20 Limit game usually considered 'small stakes'? Anyway at my level the cold call seems correct but thats at 3/6, hehe. 3 more loose calls makes the hand to enticing to exit, and the 3bet seems to commit you to giving a lot of $ over to AK, but probably less likely to get post flop action on lower PP if you do hit the ace.

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i find 3betting to be the worst of the three options in a 10/20 live game

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the pot's already 9.5 sbs. loose players mean wide hopeless ranges. there's alot of value to be made in jamming preflop; can't fold or coldcall here. you're going to win more than 20% of the time so build a huge pot for the times you drag.

sure we're going to be behind some part of the time. that's poker. get ready to lose some pots. but the monster you win will more than make up for the losses.

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What are the chances that we buy the button, and/or it gets checked to us on different kinds of flops? This would affect my decision here.