Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

I had only been at the table for a few hands, so I don't really have any read on either of my opponents.




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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero....?


I was confused about this one. SB woke up on the turn after the second queen fell, and the pot was also kind of small. Assuming you don't know anything about the SB player, what would you do?

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

would call down here. he might have you on AK and figure with the Qs you dont have a Q.

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

Call down, until his stats are saying otherwise. He has Tx way to often to fold.

On the other hand, this migth be a nice spot to try an agressive approach by raising. Maybe he don´t like his queen that much (Q2o-Q9o) and will give you a free showdown (or better). Of course, that would be the last money i put in this pot.

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On the other hand, this migth be a nice spot to try an agressive approach by raising. Maybe he don´t like his queen that much (Q2o-Q9o) and will give you a free showdown (or better). Of course, that would be the last money i put in this pot.

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And this senseless aggression helps us how?

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

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On the other hand, this migth be a nice spot to try an agressive approach by raising. Maybe he don´t like his queen that much (Q2o-Q9o) and will give you a free showdown (or better). Of course, that would be the last money i put in this pot.

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And this senseless aggression helps us how?

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The only benefit I can see to raising the turn, is if we have SB beat and MP has specifically KJ, but that is quite a parlay, plus KJ is only 8 combos since we have 2 jacks. Pretty much any other hand we don't want MP folding.

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Call down, until his stats are saying otherwise. He has Tx way to often to fold.

On the other hand, this migth be a nice spot to try an agressive approach by raising. Maybe he don´t like his queen that much (Q2o-Q9o) and will give you a free showdown (or better). Of course, that would be the last money i put in this pot.

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The times he doesn't have Tx, he has Qx and you're about to be owned. In certain circumstances, this is a good play, but not here.

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

I'm just wondering if I could fold without specific read. The pot is large but not that large. On the flop he might call with a draw or even TX. But here it looks like QX.
A raise doesn't help here, no one folds with QX on that level.

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

call down..this is wa/wb. Bet river if checked to.

Buzz

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

I actually made the wrong decision --- folding. I guess I got too scared of the SB's turn aggression and made the assumption that, since he was passive on the flop, might be holding a weak queen. I didn't think I was good often enough to call two bets on the turn and river, especially if I still had the cutoff to act behind me. I didn't really add Tx to the SB's probable range for some reason.

I appreciate all of the advice too. Thanks!

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call down..this is wa/wb. Bet river if checked to.

Buzz

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It's not HU.

We seem to be going through another bout of WA/WB-itis on the forum again. Anybody else noticing it?

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

The Q is a good card for you if anything, since now its more likely he has a T. Call the turn donk and get one bet in on the river.

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I'm just wondering if I could fold without specific read. The pot is large but not that large. On the flop he might call with a draw or even TX. But here it looks like QX.

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Qx would often c/r here (and is also likely to have shown aggression on the flop). In fact against many people this is virtually never trips.

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

My first reaction was to raise, but after reading some of those responses, I think you are right, call is much better. I don't think you can fold.

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And this senseless aggression helps us how?

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Protecting against the 3d player who might be on a draw here? Pot is pretty decent, SB is often betting a T here and we're in pretty good shape HU.

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And this senseless aggression helps us how?

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Protecting against the 3d player who might be on a draw here? Pot is pretty decent, SB is often betting a T here and we're in pretty good shape HU.

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No! Aaron is right! DUCY!

Re: Do I hold on to JJ here?
 

Although we have little information on our opponents, I would raise here. Let's force out the CO who might be on a draw, and I agree with calidris that the SB is often betting a T. The SB has a wide hand range here. And if you plan on calling down and spending two more bets, why not raise? You'll probably get a free showdown anyway, there's even the chance he may fold the turn if he doesn't have trips, and if he bets the river you can reasonably fold this hand. I don't think the aggression is senseless. I would not call this down.