NL400 KK preflop against 4 bet
 

Villain is 14/8, He seems like a tag player. After I raised to 200, he shoved it in without hesitation. Is this a snap call? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $382.80
BB: $446.75
UTG: $900.50
UTG+1: $505.10
Hero (MP1): $520.00
MP2: $714.95
CO: $332.00
BTN: $159.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18.00</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $90.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $200.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $900.50</font>, [i]Hero ?

I have $320 left. What to do..

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u put 200 in and dont want to call the remainding 320? thats crazy. you have to call here. sorry he had AA.

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snapaments

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U sir are committed to the pot and u should know it when u 4 bet it.

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Haha you got limp/rr/5bet by a 14/8 UTG.

You are [censored].

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If your gonna 4-bet half your stack, you have to get the other half in.
I wish I had aces.

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Fwiw id prefer to call the raise to 90 to disguise your hand, but yeah he probably has AA and yeah you cant fold anyway since your so committed.

Everytime you fold KK preflop with 125BB effective stacks the baby jesus cries.

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Haha you got limp/rr/5bet by a 14/8 UTG.

You are [censored].

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lol, I didn't see the initial limp, but I think you can find a fold here. You just have to know that you can never fold to this line again from him if you think he takes notes.

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Fold. Unless you have some history or something with him, tell me exactly what he has that you can beat more than 40% of the time to make this worth calling.

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Fold. Unless you have some history or something with him, tell me exactly what he has that you can beat more than 40% of the time to make this worth calling.

[/ QUOTE ]That would be 30%, since we are getting 2.25:1.

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Fold. Unless you have some history or something with him, tell me exactly what he has that you can beat more than 40% of the time to make this worth calling.

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KK?

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All I know is that Villain is 14/8, so I have to assume Villain is a good, solid, TAG player. From there, I think it depends on your image...Villain's read on you. If you're in the neighborhood of 10/6-16/9, or something similar, Villain probably has AA...and a fold is in order. If you're 26/14-32/17, or something similar, Villain could have a hand like AA, KK, QQ, AKs, or even AKo...in that case you call.

It has been my usual experience that, when a TAG goes from limp to all-in, preflop, against another TAG (you?), it usually means AA. Absent more info, I would grit my teeth, growl, and fold...saving my $320 for a better spot.

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this is FR, not 6 max. People don't LRR w/ less than AK, and they certainly don't LRR 5/bet with air thinking you will fold.

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Fold. Unless you have some history or something with him, tell me exactly what he has that you can beat more than 40% of the time to make this worth calling.

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KK?

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So, get all your money in with the one combo you tie with, but lose to the 6 combos of AA? I'm not saying we're never good here, but I don't think we're good 40% of the time, or even close to it.

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we don't need to be ahead here anywhere remotely even near the ballpark of 40% of the time to make this a correct call.

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My math sucks...

It's closer to 33% of the time you have to win to break even (right?). I still don't think we're good that often.

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how often we win != how often we're ahead

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equity vs 1combo of KK and all AA is 22.6%. If we add 2 combos of AKs then we are 32.2% which makes a call correct.

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limp/rr/5bAI UTG by 14/8 vs MP1...not too unusual to figure that AA is about 90% of his weighted range here. 2.25:1 isn't enough to be committed.

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Fold. Unless you have some history or something with him, tell me exactly what he has that you can beat more than 40% of the time to make this worth calling.

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KK?

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So, get all your money in with the one combo you tie with, but lose to the 6 combos of AA? I'm not saying we're never good here, but I don't think we're good 40% of the time, or even close to it.

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just being a smart ass

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equity vs 1combo of KK and all AA is 22.6%. If we add 2 combos of AKs then we are 32.2% which makes a call correct.

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seriously it doesn't take much at all for KK to be instafelt

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Fwiw id prefer to call the raise to 90 to disguise your hand

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And how much do we lose on the flop?