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ahnuld 11-25-2007 07:09 PM

3/6 tp reraised pot
 
stacks are 850. I raise KJdd to 21 in CO. BB repops to 77. Hes 22/18. 3 hands before I reraised him pre, but no real history. Im 11 tabling so no great reads + I got some annoying girl on the phone whos bitching at me so my concentration isnt there.

Flop comes K34 rainbow (one diamond). He cbets 115. I make it 275 planning on calling a shove. Anyone play it different?

ungar2000 11-25-2007 07:16 PM

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yeah, i fold preflop (usually)...and i just call on the flop.

Trivial 11-25-2007 07:21 PM

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don't mind the flop raise with history, calling surely is better as a default though

Teh1337zor 11-25-2007 07:22 PM

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yeah, i fold preflop (usually)...and i just call on the flop.

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stigmata 11-25-2007 07:22 PM

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dump girl, stay away from marginal situations when on the phone, call flop

bigbabyjesus 11-25-2007 07:23 PM

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I don't really mind it if you guys really go at it. Though to be honest I expect this line to get alot more people bluffing at me but they really don't seem to be playing back lightly against me in these spots... however their HUD stats say I'm tight.

ahnuld 11-25-2007 07:24 PM

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dump girl, stay away from marginal situations when on the phone, call flop

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worst part is shes not even my gf. I think I drop about 100/min when im playing this many tables and ppl call me.

stigmata 11-25-2007 07:27 PM

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yeah i really [censored] hate it when the phone rings and its my wife asking whether we need milk or something equally banal and its the straw that broke the camels back and my brain just explodes and arrrrrgghghghgh

ahnuld 11-25-2007 07:31 PM

Re: 3/6 tp reraised pot
 
I mean, wtf is he supposed to do with most of his range here (QQ-99, AQ AJ) when I make that small raise? If he folds every time its a huge leak. I imagine he calls but if hes good and decides he needs to go broke with TT,JJ hed probably push rather than just call.

stackingboxes 11-26-2007 02:27 AM

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I mean, wtf is he supposed to do with most of his range here (QQ-99, AQ AJ) when I make that small raise? If he folds every time its a huge leak. I imagine he calls but if hes good and decides he needs to go broke with TT,JJ hed probably push rather than just call.

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If you never bluff raise that flop, then he doesn't need to play back with worse hands. So you have to bluff to make this play profitable. I think u'll have to bluff alot more than you want to, or he thinks you do to make this good.

thoughts?

KingGordy 11-26-2007 02:45 AM

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This is basically a psychology question with regards to how you think he'll interpret your raise. The hand you actually do have is probably the last hand he expects you to have, as most people's flop raising range is polarized between monster made hands (AK+ on this board), draws, and airs. Since there are so few monsters on this board, and since you may choose to slowplay them often on a board this dry, if he's a thinking player he may often interpret your raise as FOS and shove a wide range.

In reality though I generally just assume most unknown 22/18's are sort of pussies, especially slightly deep, and while he should theoretically be shoving over your raise with a wide range, he'll mostly have the goods when he does.

fslexcduck 11-26-2007 02:52 AM

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if ur gonna play it this way which ps i think you're too deep for, just minraise... its much cheaper when you're fos.


as is, i don't like this line here bc i think he doesn't shove as a bluff very often this deep and he doesn't shove if we're good... if he just calls it's kind of nice but otherwise i'd rather just flat it. ppl always put you on floating anyway so what's the difference? you'll still value town TT. and anyways he's liable to 2barrel AQ and 78s on Khigh rainbow v v v often. maybe even 3 barrel. this board is so much better for flatting.

ahnuld 11-26-2007 10:24 AM

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yeah good points duck. Ill go with flat as standard and raise as a variation to protect my fos small raises

Praetor 11-26-2007 12:10 PM

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he's liable to 2barrel AQ and 78s on Khigh rainbow v v v often. maybe even 3 barrel.

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this is most important point imo

fsuplayer 11-26-2007 12:16 PM

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i just call this all day.

raising and hoping he has 99-qq and will shove is FPS and huge spew. i cant imagine raise/calling ever being better than flatting the flop and playing poker from there.


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