FT400 toptop+fd against a reg
 

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $505
SB: $761.90
BB: $392
Hero (UTG): $452.60
CO: $313.70

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $10

Flop: ($30) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, BB calls $22

Turn: ($74) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($74) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks


Villain is 'HarryPoker7', 20/17/3.4/500, 4% 3-bet, and plays at least 3 tables.

He tanks a while before checking the river.


I was ambivalent about the turn. If I bet I'm folding out a lot of hands (I assume), and I also risk getting blown off my nice draw.

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Great job getting value. Seriously, bet the turn or river.

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lolol you sure tricked him with those checks

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I probably bet the turn, but if not I definitely bet the river. Checking both streets boggles my mind

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this hurts my head

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When are you going to show us how awsome your check was since he was planning a c/r with 99 and you just knew this because he tanked before checking the river?

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Bet the turn, bet the turn. You're betting it so often as a bluff in somewhat similar spots. Represent representing the ace. And value bet the river! Fear of a check raise isn't a reason to avoid getting any value at all with a monster. Value bet him until he gives you a reason not to.

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sorry dude, but you missed a ton of value here. I bet every street.

You need to betting that turn when you don't have the ace so it's such a sweet spot when you actually do have it.

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Both bet turn, check river and check turn, bet river are superior lines. I'd mix it up against a regular depending on recent history. Checking down TPTK on that board is not good.

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seems like a super-standard b/f

i would say he c/r this river a decent amount, although your hand looks like 99 as much as AKss

i also bet the turn though

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lol

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You need to betting that turn when you don't have the ace so it's such a sweet spot when you actually do have it.

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This actually makes a lot of sense. Betting when you don't have it and checking when you do is no good. Even if I do get c/r I can call and draw to a flush or two pair. If he c/r turn and bets the river I can be pretty sure I'm beat (if I don't improve).

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When are you going to show us how awsome your check was since he was planning a c/r with 99 and you just knew this because he tanked before checking the river?

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He actually did have 99. And no, I'm not saying this justifies the river check. The reason I posted is to get input on why betting turn or river would be good.

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I'd almost be more inclined to call a river cr than a turn cr

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When are you going to show us how awsome your check was since he was planning a c/r with 99 and you just knew this because he tanked before checking the river?

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Please to be having my babies imo

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....bet the turn.

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When are you going to show us how awsome your check was since he was planning a c/r with 99 and you just knew this because he tanked before checking the river?

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He actually did have 99. And no, I'm not saying this justifies the river check. The reason I posted is to get input on why betting turn or river would be good.

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LOL YOURE GENIUS

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christ

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When are you going to show us how awsome your check was since he was planning a c/r with 99 and you just knew this because he tanked before checking the river?


[/ QUOTE ] He actually did have 99. And no, I'm not saying this justifies the river check. The reason I posted is to get input on why betting turn or river would be good.

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Bah, I thought it was gonna be T9 after reading the op. So close. Good save though with the "really asking about the turn" line. Doesn't explain why you included the river action and the timing tell, but decent save none the less.

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he showed 2pr+, right?

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[censored], who cares what he showed, how are we not betting either of the last 2 streets, i get that u didn't want to get blown off ur draw, but i still don't get river

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uhhhh wtfffffffff @ turn

Actually maybe folding behind is better?

EDIT: Since you prob won't get it if I don't spell it out, you bet the turn because it's a perfect double barrel card and he's a reg, thus he will probably not always fold.

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[censored], who cares what he showed

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You don't play the "guess what villain showed" game everytime you read a Nielso post. It is the first thing I do everytime I open up one of his threads.

If he puts in a bunch of money taking a non standard line with a weakish hand you get to guess what even weaker hand villains shows, and if he takes a non standard line with a strongish hand that puts no money in the pot you get to guess what stronger hand villain showed.

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[censored], who cares what he showed

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You don't play the "guess what villain showed" game everytime you read a Nielso post. It is the first thing I do everytime I open up one of his threads.

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I pretty much pwn this game. If I could read my own opponents as good as nielso's I'd be very rich.

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God I'd be sooo [censored] tilted if I was villain here.

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[censored], who cares what he showed

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You don't play the "guess what villain showed" game everytime you read a Nielso post. It is the first thing I do everytime I open up one of his threads.

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I pretty much pwn this game. If I could read my own opponents as good as nielso's I'd be very rich.

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nick, move down to 1/2 where your opponents hole cards and response to your available options (bet/raise/etc) are known to you!

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just looking at this hand puts me on tilt

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bet that turn, god damn.

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sorry dude, but you missed a ton of value here. I bet every street.

You need to betting that turn when you don't have the ace so it's such a sweet spot when you actually do have it.

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exactly (plus its doubtful hes gonna play a big hand on the flop like that), the time down before checking is a typical sign of wanting a cheap showdown and even without that timing tell - checking behind the river is retarded - seems like scared money to me.

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Since he had 99 I like your river check.

Bet turn &gt; Bet river as getting raised on this river would really suck as we have underrepped our hand. On top of this betting turn gives our double barrels more credit if we get to showdown.

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Since he had 99 I like your river check.

Bet turn &gt; Bet river as getting raised on this river would really suck as we have underrepped our hand. On top of this betting turn gives our double barrels more credit if we get to showdown.

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if this isnt a level then its ridiculous, assuming sum1 hit a set on the river to justify checking behind a big hand like this is obv mental.

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Since he had 99 I like your river check.

Bet turn &gt; Bet river as getting raised on this river would really suck as we have underrepped our hand. On top of this betting turn gives our double barrels more credit if we get to showdown.

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if this isnt a level then its ridiculous, assuming sum1 hit a set on the river to justify checking behind a big hand like this is obv mental.

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Since he had 99 I like your river check.

Bet turn &gt; Bet river as getting raised on this river would really suck as we have underrepped our hand. On top of this betting turn gives our double barrels more credit if we get to showdown.

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if this isnt a level then its ridiculous, assuming sum1 hit a set on the river to justify checking behind a big hand like this is obv mental.

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i dont understand those boxes, do u mind explaining? and also, when r u gonna post ur 10k post nielso? k thx

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Am I the only one who bet/calls turn?

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Am I the only one who bet/calls turn?

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yes, name one hand in a competent players range that we have the odds on (unless of course he gives us the odds to draw) - that being said, i dont think we r gonna be c/r on this turn very often at all given flop action.

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I'd bet call, but your image depends on this.

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bet $60 on the turn to balance you range for bluffing the ace when you don't have it. As for what to do if he raises I think I'm calling. If he raises 3x you have odds to draw at 2 pair/trips/flush draw, and him shoving here would look really weird to me so I think I would call that aswell. Would he shove TT 44 or 22 maybe even AT?

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Am I the only one who bet/calls turn?

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yes, name one hand in a competent players range that we have the odds on (unless of course he gives us the odds to draw) - that being said, i dont think we r gonna be c/r on this turn very often at all given flop action.

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I don't see why not, this is a good card to double barrel and villain probably knows this if he's a reg.

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Is your 10k post about valuebetting lol?

how come your not the one having a 15bi downswing :S .

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So are we all agreed that betting turn is the best option here?

If so, are we all checking the blank river through? Or value betting here as well?

If raised on the river, what is our action?