b/f river
 

villain is 23/18/2.15 seems very solid
ive never b/f a river before, is this time ok? i assumed here that villain would only raise nuts or the second nuts.
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

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I like it.

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river b/f is fine i guess, but the flop call is bad imo. you are behind every hand in his range drawing to 2 outs.

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meh, if I get to this river I don't fold, but I've given up bet/folding

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meh, if I get to this river I don't fold, but I've given up bet/folding

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river b/f is fine i guess, but the flop call is bad imo. you are behind every hand in his range drawing to 2 outs.

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AJ AQ?

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flop call is close. but once you call the flop and hit your flush draw I really hate folding the river. That being said nitty TAGs rarely bluff raise the river, so I think b/f is correct.

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this is why b/f is the best play here.

This guy knows we have a big diamond, and he knows we aren't folding.

This guy will have the Ad about always here.

There are lots of bid diamonds this guy could have, and we are done on this hand.

The flop is interesting though. I don't think I'm c/f, but I could be wrong about this spot.

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river b/f is fine i guess, but the flop call is bad imo. you are behind every hand in his range drawing to 2 outs.

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AJ AQ?

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the guy is a tag, not a lagtag. he knows that we know that he has a strong hand because he raised from utg and not say co, yet we elected to 3-bet him out of position, which means we have a really strong hand. so i really doubt he's capping AJ and AQ. yes, sometimes he'll cap AQs but not always, and sometimes he'll cap AQo - much more rarely than AQs.

if he raised from co or his pfr was like 22 it would be a different story.

your equity against AQs, AK, TT+ on this flop is 17.7%. additionally, you suffer from rio. i think it's an easy fold.

if i'm mistaken about the capping habits of tags with 18 pfr, please correct me.

Re: b/f river
 

One thing to consider here is what your image at this table is and what kind of history you have between this villain. If you've been running hot with your finger glued to the turbo raise button then villain may be capping light pf thinking you're a complete lag.

Once I get to the river in this spot I'm not doing anything that involves folding. So if your plan is to bet fold I'd rather check call for the same price. This villain seems like the type that will still be value betting his strong non-flush hands on the river anyway.

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I check/call and let villain bet some non-flush hands against you.

As played, I believe you see non-flush hands often enough to make this an okay call. After all, you're receiving nearly 10:1 to call. You could be looking at KK, AA (no diamond), AK (no diamond) or 88 and on very rare occasions, total air.

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I check/call and let villain bet some non-flush hands against you.

As played, I believe you see non-flush hands often enough to make this an okay call. After all, you're receiving nearly 10:1 to call. You could be looking at KK, AA (no diamond), AK (no diamond) or 88 and on very rare occasions, total air.

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this is bad. nitty TAGs don't bet non-flush hands on the river. They know that if you check with a flush you are never folding, and they also know that they are probably never getting called by a worse hand. If you check on this river and this guy bets you are very likely not good 10% of the time.

Plus if he does have AA, AK, 88 etc and you check you miss a bet, because those hands would call if you donk the river since there is a chance that you are bluffing without a diamond.

I really think this is a prime example of where b/f is correct and c/c is really bad. It is really hard to convince yourself to take this line when you have a strong hand and you want to SD, but you'll make more money in the long run when you can convince yourself to do this against predictable players.

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I check/call and let villain bet some non-flush hands against you.

As played, I believe you see non-flush hands often enough to make this an okay call. After all, you're receiving nearly 10:1 to call. You could be looking at KK, AA (no diamond), AK (no diamond) or 88 and on very rare occasions, total air.

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ifyou check the river, and he bets, you lose almost always.

If you bet the river, and he raises, you lose almost always.

The point of this river is this, if you bet, he will call with worse hands, but, this guy won't bet non flush hands that he would have called with.

All 3 choices are money losers, but B/f is by far the best play here.

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what about the flop though? am i the only one who thinks the flop call is bad? to quote myself:

your equity against AQs, AK, TT+ on this flop is 17.7%.

17.7%+rio = easy fold in my book. am i a nit?