600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

I'm 19/16/3 standard tag. He is good reg UMDtennis 23/20/3.

I'll post my thoughts after some responses.
Comments on earlier streets welcome.

Full Tilt Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $599.70
BB: $817.55
UTG: $969.10
CO: $646
BTN: $411.45

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $21</font>, BTN calls $21, Hero calls $18, BB folds

Flop: ($69) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $48</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $48

Turn: ($165) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($165) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $155</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $577 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

i raise preflop, i raise that flop, i think he should bet that turn if i have the 6 or a boat but bleh some people check too... as for the river you should probably fold since a boat is perfectly in your range.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

pretty easy fold

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

i'd fold. he could have K-high flush here some of the time, but most likely you are f-cked since you could easily have a boat here.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

I would c/r or lead/3-bet flop.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

Fold. A 23/20 has a VERY wide range opening from the CO so a boat is very much possible and a good player doesn't raise worse here I think. Mayyybe K-flush but rarely.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

so you guys put him on 88 only ?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

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so you guys put him on 88 only ?

[/ QUOTE ]33,66,88,99,86,96 and maybe two combos of KXcc.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

Why would 33, 66, 99, 86, 96 and KQcc KTcc check the turn, my hand looks like a draw or a small PP mid pair type hand so he should be betting his strong draws because he has FE and he should be betting his boats for when I'm drawing to build a pot. I sur would call a 1/3 to 1/2 pot bet on the turn.
Is my reasoning flawed ?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

Your hand looks like a draw
- the draw just completed and you are betting out, pretty stupid if he tries to bluff you off a flush, no?
- would you bet a mid PP here? no, it never gets looked up by worse and rarely folds out better hands.

Are you capable of slowplaying in this spot? Some comments on how villain views you would be helpful.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

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Your hand looks like a draw
- the draw just completed and you are betting out, pretty stupid if he tries to bluff you off a flush, no?


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Thats funny, everyone including you want to fold nut flush, but you r saying bluffing would be very stupid

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

I'm capable of slowplaying a boat here but villain doesn'know it, he prolly suspects it tho.
I actually have 2 questions :
1. Why doesn't he bet the turn ?
2. How much of his range is lower flushes ?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

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Your hand looks like a draw
- the draw just completed and you are betting out, pretty stupid if he tries to bluff you off a flush, no?


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Thats funny, everyone including you want to fold nut flush, but you r saying bluffing would be very stupid

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Kind of true. But thats just poker, you got to decide what level your opponent is thinking on. I don't think we should default our NL600 play to assume that regulars try to bluff you off a flush here. The game isn't that advanced at this level imho.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

i wud say considering the turn check , the most likely hands he can have r 96,99,88; why shud he bet a boat there, u called flop, so it is not likely that u have the 6, if he bets the turn strong u may lay down a draw, if he bets it weak, like 1/3 pot it wud look very supicious
i think a flush wudnt raise on river, a bluff also looks a bit too sophisticated there, i think u can be pretty sure hes made a boat on turn or he hit wit 88 on river, tho i think he may bet turn wit 88 too

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

Would you never raise this pf?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

I would 3 bet pf some of the time but there was a fish who cc the raise and I didnot want to lose him or play a big pot OOP without a good hand

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

If you guys were villain, how would you play a K high flush?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

call

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

if you can fold to a push then your river betsizing sucks imo

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

what do you mean, how much would you bet ?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

Would you raise the king high flush AI when I pot river ?

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

I would raise if you bet &lt;120

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

I do not see how you can fold this....maybe he does have a full house but why doesn't he bet the turn? Wouldn't he think he could extract more money from you with a turn bet and get it all in on the river? I like a check/call on the river if you really think he could have 99 or 88.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

check/call river is ridic

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

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I do not see how you can fold this....maybe he does have a full house but why doesn't he bet the turn? Wouldn't he think he could extract more money from you with a turn bet and get it all in on the river? I like a check/call on the river if you really think he could have 99 or 88.

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c/c river is disgusting.

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

doc, you sound like you potted the river so you could get away if he pushes, a pretty horrible reason to do so.

villains range is pretty polar at this point, so what exactly does potting it accomplish, other than even further polarizing yours and villains ranges to the point to where if he calls you you coolered him, and if he raises, he coolered you?

i think when you bet a more standard stabby amount he a) finds curious calls with crappy hands and b) finds a pretty mandatory value raise with lower flushes

Re: 600 NL : I have the nut flush, why would you raise ?
 

Strange hand. He can only seem to have 88 if he's ahead of you, as pretty much everything else usually bets the turn.

I don't like the size of your river bet at all. What exactly do you think he has that calls that size of a bet?

I can't tell if you're more likely to have a flush or a boat given preflop/flop action. Would you raise 88 or 99 on the flop?