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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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It's you (I mean shhhh).

-DeathDonkey

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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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The resurgence is you. Free monies, come and get it! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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Very slight. I think it cycles. My guess is that alot of former lhe players have come back from nl due to boredom.

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Must have missed my games =(

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Must have missed my games =(

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im also confused, you end up coming back in the 50 game yesterday bk?

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im also confused, you end up coming back in the 50 game yesterday bk?

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I played about 15 sessions of it so not sure which one you're talking about. When all was said and done I won 4k at 6max and lost 2600 HU. Meh.

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Must have missed my games =(

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Read as, my games still suck

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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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I don't play online, so I don't know about this, but there certainly doesn't seem to be a corresponding resurgence in this forum. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Has everyone just realized the extreme -EV nature of discussing advanced concepts in a public forum?

It seems an "active" high stakes LHE discussion group should have plenty to talk about, given nobody even knows where optimality lies...

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Has everyone just realized the extreme -EV nature of discussing advanced concepts in a public forum?


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When i first read this statement i got angry and wanted to write a long post about how awful this thinking is. But after thinking about what i wanted to say, i'm actually wondering the same thing myself.

I would have thought that working out the math and writing software to solve hands would work much better in an open public forum (much as sharing ideas in an academic setting is useful). But the catch seems to be the freerider problem whereby very few ppl are taking the time to work out the problems but any lurker gets to benefit from the results. It gets frustrating so eventually the ppl doing the hard work get sick of sharing results. Of course when they don't share the results with a sufficiently large audience, the results are less legitimate and lower quality.

Perhaps the solution is smaller working groups where if ppl don't pull their weight they get cut?

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Just finished one of those awesome hu matches at 1/2 where I started off -8k against a horrible station who started match by snapping off my bluffs with k and q high over and over but then rebounded and busted his last buy to end up +8k overall, just in time to go to the store and make dinner.

I am realizing the key to beating 1/2 these days is getting the fish hu to yourself instead of justifying sitting in a 6 max stars 1/2 just with 4 experts and one fish.

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I would have thought that working out the math and writing software to solve hands would work much better in an open public forum (much as sharing ideas in an academic setting is useful). But the catch seems to be the freerider problem whereby very few ppl are taking the time to work out the problems but any lurker gets to benefit from the results. It gets frustrating so eventually the ppl doing the hard work get sick of sharing results. Of course when they don't share the results with a sufficiently large audience, the results are less legitimate and lower quality.

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Yeah, I agree that open, collaborative efforts can be useful in general. The key distinction between discussing poker and working out more academic problems is that in the latter case, the work *is* the reward. That is, the reason to prove some obscure math conjecture would largely be for the sake of solving it. The incentives in the case of poker are obviously quite different, especially now that people can make real money playing LHE as a pro (vs say 7+ years ago when online multi-tabling was not an option).

I think an analogy can be made to pretty much any field where expertise results in money. In my line of work (quantitative finance), the people generally have backgrounds in math/physics/CS and are constantly working on interesting theoretical problems as they relate to the financial markets. But there is no way in hell we are sharing any of our results with anyone, since every other market participant is a competitor.

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Perhaps the solution is smaller working groups where if ppl don't pull their weight they get cut?

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That's essentially what a corporation is, and perhaps a natural result given the economic incentives. Like the secret Slovenian group that produced DERB. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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I don't play online, so I don't know about this, but there certainly doesn't seem to be a corresponding resurgence in this forum. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Has everyone just realized the extreme -EV nature of discussing advanced concepts in a public forum?

It seems an "active" high stakes LHE discussion group should have plenty to talk about, given nobody even knows where optimality lies...

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My guess is its more arrogance and lazyness than secret witholding.

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no its secret withholding

arrogance, boredom and ego are the only reasons the forums have any input from great players

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fwiw i just noticed party added a 250/500 lhe tab, although they haven't opened any games yet.

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yeah, what a weird limit to have. Definitely should be 200/400 or 300/600. 250/500 just seems so weird.

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it is party [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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sorry if not appreciated, i play lower limits (5/10), i switched to NL for a while and jumped back in these games, they are super soft compared to the old days

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no its secret withholding

arrogance, boredom and ego are the only reasons the forums have any input from great players

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As the fourth best LHE player in the world, do you find that you've out-grown these boards and can find all the results you need on your own? Are you part of a closer-knit closed community where super secret hold'em concepts are discussed?

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I think an analogy can be made to pretty much any field where expertise results in money. In my line of work (quantitative finance), the people generally have backgrounds in math/physics/CS and are constantly working on interesting theoretical problems as they relate to the financial markets. But there is no way in hell we are sharing any of our results with anyone, since every other market participant is a competitor.


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who do you work for? need an intern?

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I just looked on stars and saw that there were ~110k players online. This number is comparable to Party in it's heyday, so I was wondering how come there are only 6-8 tables of 15/30+ 6max going. If there are the same number of players online, what happened to all the midstakes action?

Then I counted the 60ish 2/4 and 3/6 6max NL tables currently running.

I think the trickle-up economy of limit holdem is still in a serious downturn. With only like 10 10/20 and 15/30 tables going at any given time, there aren't enough bad players that will run hot there, win a bunch, then move up.

There used to be thousands of poor-playing regular lower mid-stakes players, and hundreds of them who ran hot for 3 or 4 weeks would go on to become losing 30/60+ players.

I don't think there can possibly be any real resurgence unless you start seeing a shitton of soft lower-midstake games going 24/7.

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hey what happened to Picula (sp) aka meddling mage

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no its secret withholding

arrogance, boredom and ego are the only reasons the forums have any input from great players

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I am in 95% agreeance with you Gherig. However, I think there are some folks in this world who genuinely enjoy sharing with others.

Best,
Bill

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I don't think there can possibly be any real resurgence unless you start seeing a shitton of soft lower-midstake games going 24/7.

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I think much of the problem is related to the demographics of the casual LHE player i.e. old-school US poker players, and that the legislation affected the dynamic of LHE (and stud etc.) much more than other games, particularly because the casual players are more likely to be techno-phobic and not willing to jump through hoops in order to deposit. I would expect that if the US legislated, then we would observer a resurgence in LHE.

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Yeah, a ton of old-schoolers are technophobic indeed.

I know several old timers who love to play poker and are total fish but when I tell them I play on the internet they flip out asking questions like "how do you know it's fair?" "how do you know your money won't just disappear?" etc.
I then explain to them that the poker rooms have a huge incentive to keep the games fair because of how much rake they're making and that if there were some indications that it isn't fair they'd lose a ton of revenue.
Then the very next time it comes up they ask the exact same questions like I'd never addressed them before...senile bastards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Bill

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yeah, what a weird limit to have. Definitely should be 200/400 or 300/600. 250/500 just seems so weird.

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I have fond memories of 250/500 at Pokerroom

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Is it me or has their been a slight resurgence in LHE lately?

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I think its because some folks have figured out I'm back at a little-known online site givin' low-limit action.

TSP

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Hi guys,

I dont want to spam your general thread so feel free to tell me that I am not welcome with that kind of posts [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Anyway I am developing a software which can calculate EV of given strategies and I need beta testers for it.
I would accept people who are :
- math inclined
- are posters here for some time

In general the software can solve problems like : We have hand H, Villain has range X. We do bet/call flop and bet/3bet turn. He folds no pair no draw, raise any pair/any draw. On the turn he does X with hands Y, and X2 with hands Y2 etc etc. You can program any strategy and ask what is EV of that against any otehr given strategy.

PM me if you are interested in that.
Delete this post and PM me if I am not allowed to make such posts here (I emailed one admin but he never responded).

Take care,
punter

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this xposted from msnl. im going to propose to a network tv company a poker-based reality tv show. if anyone has any interest, please pm me for details.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

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