Live hand, tricky river.
 

Sorry if I am formatting this wrong, but this hand was played live so this is all by memory. I was playing in a soft game 10/20 nl game that I try to hit up everytime I am in town. Stack sizes are pretty close, but could be off a bit. Game is 5 handed, with one rock, one super laggy kid that won 8k playing blackjack so decided to sit at a NL game that nite, a super degen that is always stuck every time I am in town and always plays like super laggy unless he having to short stack, another regular who was playing super tight. Pot was almost always straddled, and I have a pretty tight image and was getting cold cards all nite. Here is the hand that gave me problems.
I am on the button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and the pot was actually not straddled. I raise it up to 60 with about 2700 in my stack, laggy kid called in the sb with about 1500 left in his stack, super degen calls with about 2k.
Flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB bets 150, I called here (I still think calling here was a bad play, but the SB seemed to love calling into these kinds of pots with [censored] hands, but I digress)
SB calls
Turn brings K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB bets 450, I call hoping the SB doesnt shove J10, SB folds.
River brings K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB insta bets around 900

What's my line here? Is this always an auto shove? Does the flush pretty much HAVE to call a shove here?

BB is the super laggy degen who was tilting pretty bad, so J10, spades, Kx are all in his range. He always overbets AK pre-flop so I took that out of my range. My I think my flop call was pretty [censored] with the flush draw out there, so please dont just comment on that.

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Am i wrong or is a push like under a minraise?

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no you are right...

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does he not repop preflop with AK AQ? To a button raise and a sb flat call? Id push

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thats a easy shove. i think he nailed his flush.

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Against the person you described this is a super standard easy push.

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i think OP needs to revise his thread title.

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i dont get the sense of this thread. how is river not an easy shove?

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Ts Js Royal Flush

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sick spot man

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Uh tough spot I think he might have QQ, KK, AA, AK, KQ or K4 but really stinks rodden like JsTs I snap fold there.

Serioulsy whats the point of this thread? If you have a strong read he has a better boat you can call, otherwise this is a nobrainer shove.

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push

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My line was flush at first, but he was just to confident with his bet even though the board paired. If this were any other guy I would consider just a call, or if the stacks were a littler deeper. I put any spades, and KQ in his range, given pre flop action. I figured the flush hitting was worth the risk of getting run over by a bigger boat, but I had a terrible feeling shoving. He insta calls and tables KQ for the bigger boat. I really put him on KQ, but I dont think I can get away from my hand here with the spade hitting. Would just a call be out of line here given my line on villain? Or does all the spade hands he could play the same way give me enough value to shove?

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I dont know about other but i HATE your flop smooth call here.. theres a few draws out there in a 3 way pot . Why are you calling?

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Would just a call be out of line here given my line on villain?

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Mixed emotions, pal. Like Sir Larry Wildman going over a cliff in my new Maserati.

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why was J10 such a big concern on the turn?

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raise flop, if not then raise turn, if not then raise river

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I don't think calling would be the end of the world... but I probably would push unless I got one of those weird feelings.... a lot of it would be how he bet, etc.

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Yeah if this were online with no line on the player I would have insta shoved. This guy loves winning small pots, usually the stack he has in front of him represents his net worth, so it was just a weird live tell. I shoved under the assumption that he has j10/flush. Raising the flop may have got me a small pot, but given I doubt he was folding that turn.
Again, as I said in the first post, I think my flop play was atrocious here, but I was hoping SB would make a play at it.

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easy shove. not much more to lose if hes got you beat, get your value. KQ only hand you are really worried about. Fist pump when he calls and shows you flush.

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I have to admit that some people would play AK that way, so it's not an insta shove for me.

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where is this soft 10/20 game? what casino?