How to play 2/4 Limit in a Casino?
 

I mean how can you play 2/4 Limit when you raise and its 6-7 players to the flop? Even Aces are [censored] when it come to that odds.

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Value bet, value bet, value bet......[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Peace,
Mygtar

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Pray. It is hard to develop any serious strategies when you have people that bet without looking at their cards (happened twice last time).

hate to say this but low level limit is the only form of poker where playing stupid can benefit you (for the short run)

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Very carefully.

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One word:

"COCKTAILS!!!"

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Push what edges you have. Play strong draws very aggressively. Value bet the river. Lather, rinse, repeat. Collect Sklansky bucks in the short run, real ones in the long.

Oh, and have a good time. Wear glasses if you need them.

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Step 1. Dress appropriately. Hooded sweatshirt (with hood up), sunglasses, FTP or Stars hat, oversized card protector, and Ipod (preferably pink, but white will do).

Step 2. When you get there, order a cocktail. Preferably something hard and straight up. If they let you, order a shot of Bacardi 151 as a chaser.

Step 3. Cap it. Every chance you get. It is not optional. It is required (same applies to straddling).

Step 4. When you receive a horrendous beat, stand up, tear your cards in half, and toss them in the air, and request a setup.

5. Have fun.

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Seriously, though, cutting your teeth at 2/4 is no easy task, but we have all been there. Just read Small Stakes Hold'em by Sklansky and Miller and grind it out. Then, when you feel comfortable, move to 3/6 or 4/8. Though there is not much difference between 3/6 and 4/8, there is a world of difference between 2/4 and 3/6, especially in Vegas. At around the 6/12 level and higher will be more "real poker" but even then, you will still see lots of chasing and calling.

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Ok, thanks.. i guess ill just stick to Nl 1-2

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1 - dont't play to win(this is the surest way to ensure you will)
2 - don't worry about position(it's gonna get capped anyway)
3 - play every street with the assumption it will be capped
4 - don't bother to figure "pot odds"
5 - don't bother to "put your opponent on a hand"
6 - don't be afraid to value bet some pretty marginal holdings
7 - never, ever, never bluff (you will be called by 10 high and persons playing the board)
8 - never bluff
9- again, never bluff

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lol..funny responses...

In foxwoods i tried playing 2/4 Limit after 5-6 hours of nl 1-2 which i was up around 350 and i never have seen such retarded play in my life (maybe when i saw the Red Sox)...people calling 3 bet rasies before flop with queen 4...


After 25 minutes i went on tilt and in a hour i blew 100 bucks...

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The weird part of it is that you want the table you just described. Big pairs - the heart and soul of NL can be just another hand to chase down at 2/4.

Rule 1): PF discipline. I believe that most of the money I've made at 2/4 comes from the hands I didn't play.

Rule 2): If you are in the hand Mygtar was right... value bet, value bet, value bet. Push those edges knowing that many will get chased down. You only need to win a couple of these to have a winning session.

Rule 3): It is relatively easy to move around this kind of table as poeple leave. Keep the true LAGtard's on your right.

Rule 4): Bring an iPod to drown out the repetitive trash talk. Optional: In LV free booze serves the same purpose.

Rule 5): 2/4 is a good place to practice some skills cheaply. Hand reading, check raising, practicing fake tells, etc. can all be practiced cheaply.

Other than PF discipline, forget the rules and have fun. And when variance goes against you have the courage to say "good hand" and DON"T WHINE like your original post. That's good practice too. LOL.

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Thanks alot if im up alot im gonna try out the Limit table....maybe try some tourny at Taj this Fri/Sat

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Don't even bother it's unbeatable. Move up to 15/30 stat.

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That's dumb advice if someone doesnt have the roll for 15/30.

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I mean how can you play 2/4 Limit when you raise and its 6-7 players to the flop? Even Aces are [censored] when it come to that odds.

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I would personally thank every single player at the table for cold-calling my UTG raise when I have AA. Wait, what was the question?

EDIT: Last time I played 2/4 was donking around with my under-rolled micro-limits friend and another guy who is a casual player. Tyler was driving so he used his cocktail-ordering power to allow Kiel (stereotypical drunken Irishman) and me to 1.5-fist increasingly-strong drinks. I made this really cool castle tower out of my $100 buy-in plus about $200 profit from rivering two pair like 4 times after everyone refused to to not give me odds to chase it. Then it fell over. Actually, it kind of imploded, Stardust-style. As usual, the night ended with me tipping redbirds to any cocktail weaitress who would bring me a glass full of olives. I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2/4.

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I mean how can you play 2/4 Limit when you raise and its 6-7 players to the flop? Even Aces are [censored] when it come to that odds.

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Cough. Cough...


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sounds just like the play at my local casino's 10-20 LHE game. only six or seven to the flop would be two less than we usually get. you are right AA is [censored]. last time i played it got beat at least 75% of the time. needed a straight or better to win most hands. chase your ass off.

Re: How to play 2/4 Limit in a Casino?
 

this isn't very difficult. start taking note of winning hands when you play, and count the # of times that 1 pair wins. i can tell you it isn't very often. then relate this to your strategy as you re-raise w/AA (1 pair) on the river vs. 4 opponents.

i don't really play AA for much more than set value unless i manage to get a < 4-way flop.

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All good advice so far, except the obligatory recommendation to move up to 15/30 (I'm assuming that was a joke).

Its true that big pocket pairs go down in value RELATIVE TO OTHER STARTING HANDS as the table loosens up. These hands, such as AA, still have a lot of value, however you do need to avoid falling in love with them when the board is scary. In other words, if there are 3+ cards to a flush or straight and you are facing a bet and a raise with 4 people still in the hand, then 1 pair is probably no good and you should fold.

This does not mean that AA has no value as a starting hand in these games. If it is capped 7 ways pre-flop and you hold AA, then you are getting value as long as you win 1 out of every 7 hands. You will have even more value if you know how to fold post flop and your opponents do not.

Learn proper pre-flop discipline, know when to fold a hand that looked really pretty before the flop, but is probably beat after the flop, learn when to value bet, never bluff, and don't expect to win just because you are the favorite. When you are a 4:1 favorite, you will lose once every 5 hands and could easily lose 2-3 hands in a row.

Also - If bad beats cause you to tilt, then take a walk every time someone sucks out on the river. Wear comfortable shoes because you will be doing alot of walking.

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I mean how can you play 2/4 Limit when you raise and its 6-7 players to the flop? Even Aces are [censored] when it come to that odds.

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Buy in for $1800 plus so you can 442-bet the river just in case you make a royal frush. Also, never fold the river for one bet.

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Why play 2/4 Limit in a Casino?

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Some don't even consider this real poker.

Seriously though, 2 - 4 limit is easily beatable in the long term for any decent thinking player. There will be some huge variance along the way as it might seem that some nights every hand has seven people showing down at the end of each hand.
Regards,
Carl

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Dont forget to stare down the BB for a good two or three minutes when it is folded around to you in MP. If you look long enough you'll pick up a tell.

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Dress like this.
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Play some .25/1 online or Pacific Poker .5/1 or 1/2. These games can get you in alot of trouble if you can't fold big pairs. If a guy gives you heat even on weirdo boards and 5 are to the turn then fold unless you have a set or top two(in some instances). If you are still in the stage of being married to AK then don't go near these games or many low limit games... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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1 - dont't play to win(this is the surest way to ensure you will)
2 - don't worry about position(it's gonna get capped anyway)
3 - play every street with the assumption it will be capped
4 - don't bother to figure "pot odds"
5 - don't bother to "put your opponent on a hand"
6 - don't be afraid to value bet some pretty marginal holdings
7 - never, ever, never bluff (you will be called by 10 high and persons playing the board)
8 - never bluff
9- again, never bluff

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10. There is the one exception to the "never bluff" rule. I like to bet or raise with position with marginal holdings if I think my opponents will check the turn to me. If my opponnets are letting me do it, I'll buy free cards all night long and let them think that I'm a bluffing maniac.

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Buy in for $1800 plus so you can 442-bet the river just in case you make a royal frush. Also, never fold the river for one bet.

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I wouldn't say "never", but I tend to be a calling station with A high on the river in one of these games if I'm getting 10 to 1 pot odds or better and am closing out the action. My advice for beating these games is quite simple. Realize that if you are calling the turn because you think you have a reasonable enough chance to win the hand, you are pot vesting yourself to call the river.

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play medium-strong draws in multi-way pots

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Some don't even consider this real poker.

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As others have pointed out, I think still qualifies as poker, but you have to seriously adjust for the extreme looseness of games like this. On top of that, you also have to adjust for the impact of the rake, dealer tokes, food and beverage service, etc. These are the kind of games you should really play just to break even and have a good time. If you try and grind out 1 bb/hr using Sklansky methods, you'll end up steaming for days about your AA getting cracked 5 times out of 6 (which it will).

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Seriously though, 2 - 4 limit is easily beatable in the long term for any decent thinking player.

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True, but if I'm playing to make money then I'd have to expect to *crush* a 2-4 game to really be willing to put much time into it. Usually, it's just too much effort for too small a return. Just my opinion though.


q/q

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Boyd I started at FW 2/4 and moved up to 4/8 after I got about a year's experience of live play. The 4/8 is much more profitable if you have the basics down. If you can afford to move up you should. I find that SSHE is an invaluable tool for this game.

I am a beginner (about 2 years), but I am up about $1300 over the last 5 sessions of 4/8. See you at the 'Woods.

Best of luck,
Mygtar

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Boyd I started at FW 2/4 and moved up to 4/8 after I got about a year's experience of live play. The 4/8 is much more profitable if you have the basics down. If you can afford to move up you should. I find that SSHE is an invaluable tool for this game.

I am a beginner (about 2 years), but I am up about $1300 over the last 5 sessions of 4/8. See you at the 'Woods.

Best of luck,
Mygtar

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i wouldn't put too much thought into "moving up." all the lowest limits in each room are all going to be just about as bad as 2/4 everywhere.

i.e. mgm 2/4 = harrah's 3/6 = wynn 4/8

(this is not counting the time at wynn when the 5/10NL regular sat to my left w/6K in the 4/8L game. never had such a crazy session. went from +100 to -500 and ended -40. great time though).

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8/16 at Hawaiian Gardens was like that monday night. Seven players to the flop three deep. Action game of the century.

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$2-4 holdem is very similar to bingo but you don't have to yell when you win.

You can't be a calling station and expect to win. You have to be able to laydown top pair but you also have to know when top pair is good.

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When you are a 4:1 favorite, you will lose once every 5 hands and could easily lose 2-3 hands in a row.

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Gotta love the internet advice. You "could" easily lose 2-3 hands in a row? Really? But my odds calculator promised me that I'd only lose 1 hand out of 5! I want all my winning hands to come first.

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Dress like this.
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LOL. I think I played at your table - 4/8 at the bike - the other day.

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True, but if I'm playing to make money then I'd have to expect to *crush* a 2-4 game to really be willing to put much time into it. Usually, it's just too much effort for too small a return. Just my opinion though.

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If you're looking for BB/100, then there is no better game to jack that percentage up than one of these games. These are my favorite games, as they are the games that make me the most profit. I think a lot of people have to realize, though, that in this kind of game, one will often have to lose $200-$300 in order to make $1,000.

Knowing when to chase and when not to chase is probably the most important aspect of one of these games (second perhaps only to the importance of when to push and when not to push).

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Boyd I started at FW 2/4 and moved up to 4/8 after I got about a year's experience of live play. The 4/8 is much more profitable if you have the basics down. If you can afford to move up you should.

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I disagree. If someone is having trouble beating the easiest kind of game there is to beat, then that someone should stay at that level until he learns to beat the game. These types of tables exist at every level, though they become more rare as the levels get higher. However, if a player finds he can't learn to bet the no fold'em hold'em tables, he will be throwing a ton of money away by not being able to beat the occasional $4/$8 games that have these exact same textures. The only consideration here is rake, and I don't believe that a person should be very worried about rake until that person can actually give a detailed description of what his winrate is and how the rake affects it. I've found that the only way to consistantly beat the rake at a B&M $2/$4 game is to play at the kinds of tables the OP describes. I have a heckuva hard time beating the rake in a "tight/aggressive" $2/$4 game.

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Some don't even consider this real poker.


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I'm assuming this is a joke. It seems that every poker table I've ever sat at has one player who is losing his ass and doesn't consider the game to be "real" poker.