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200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
Need a line on this turn. Villain is 19/12, no real history, and my image should be pretty aggro. Converter wasn't working for some reason...
FullTiltPoker Game #4198106125: Table Stacey (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:23:10 ET - 2007/11/16 Seat 1: mchar ($206.45) Seat 2: OOOOBlubbOOOO ($0), is sitting out Seat 3: OhYesTGPFA ($456.45) Seat 4: Kivik ($185.95) Seat 5: IDropDeuces ($319.30) Seat 6: willw9 ($247.15) willw9 posts the small blind of $1 mchar posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to willw9 [Qs Qc] OhYesTGPFA raises to $7 Kivik folds IDropDeuces folds willw9 has 15 seconds left to act willw9 raises to $25 mchar folds OhYesTGPFA calls $18 *** FLOP *** [3c 4d 4c] willw9 has 15 seconds left to act willw9 bets $36 OhYesTGPFA calls $36 *** TURN *** [3c 4d 4c] [Ah] willw9 ... If you check, are you c/f turn but betting river? C/C? If we bet, how much? |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
b/f Turn
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Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: $206.45 UTG: $456.45 CO: $185.95 BTN: $319.30 Hero (SB): $247.15 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $18 Flop: ($52) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $36</font>, UTG calls $36 Turn: ($124) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero.... Bet 41 on the flop. There's a couple of credible hands that A could hit, and stack/pot sizes are weird to the point where bet/folding could seem awkward. If you check here though, can villain really bluff you off your hand though, seen as that has to look like a pretty bad card to him too right? |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
I would rather check vs this dude, and valuebet the river if he checks it back. If we bet, we are putting in well over half our stack, so it sucks to b/f especially when a bet only scares out all worse hands. OTOH, I think he rarely has a hand to raise if you bet the turn. Given that, I also doubt he'll have a hand to bet this turn with if you check.
So it's unlikely that we can get any value out of worse hands with a turn bet, and I don't think there are many drawing hands in his range to protect against. Check, and hope for a blank river card for him to pay off on. |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
Check/call, to induce a bluff. I think you are ahead, don't see him calling 36 on flop with AK. More likely he is 99-JJ
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Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
fwiw c/c isn't good here either imo because it commits us, and we can't really expect this type of player to be turning marginal hands into a bluff often enough. Most likely, he will gladly check back the worse pairs in his range and play for pot control.
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Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
c/f, bet river if checked through
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Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
i'd bet again on the turn, it's the cheapest option and quite a scary one
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Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
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i'd bet again on the turn, it's the cheapest option and quite a scary one [/ QUOTE ] I don't mind this option, as c/c let's him set the bet size. How much you bettin on the turn? |
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i'd bet again on the turn, it's the cheapest option and quite a scary one [/ QUOTE ] great reasoning imo. |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
I like c/f.
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Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
convert please.
it depends what you think he's capable of here. if he would turn a made hand into a bluff here (ie. something like 88), i dont mind c/c-ing anything here. he shouldnt really ever have AK. KK i think checks behind a ton as does JJ but as stated, i dont think that him bluffing is outside the realm of possibilities. if he's capabable of floating here on the flop, i heavily consider playing for stacks if he bets. but, if he's a cookie cutter and won't show up with anything aside from AA/KK/Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]/etc then you can c/f. |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
Pretty villain dependant (call 3bet range, floating in 3bet pots IP). Given that we hold QQ I'd sat AQ can be discounted. Dunno if he calls AJ here though.
If he hasn't shown a tendency of floating overs in position in 3bet pots I don't expect him to have an A here often. So usually this is a c/c to get value from 99-JJ for me. And yeah 40ish bet on the flop pls. |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
As played, I checked and he bet $86.
Hero? If we call, how are we responding to a shove on a blank river (6-8 imo)? |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
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I would rather check vs this dude, and valuebet the river if he checks it back. If we bet, we are putting in well over half our stack, so it sucks to b/f especially when a bet only scares out all worse hands. OTOH, I think he rarely has a hand to raise if you bet the turn. Given that, I also doubt he'll have a hand to bet this turn with if you check. So it's unlikely that we can get any value out of worse hands with a turn bet, and I don't think there are many drawing hands in his range to protect against. Check, and hope for a blank river card for him to pay off on. [/ QUOTE ] spot on imo |
Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
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As played, I checked and he bet $86. Hero? If we call, how are we responding to a shove on a blank river (6-8 imo)? [/ QUOTE ] i only call if i am prepared to call the river, your hand is face up. |
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[ QUOTE ] As played, I checked and he bet $86. Hero? If we call, how are we responding to a shove on a blank river (6-8 imo)? [/ QUOTE ] i only call if i am prepared to call the river, your hand is face up. [/ QUOTE ] Definetely agree that my hand is face up. |
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