Drawing rough in a big pot
 

CO is a winning TAG regular. The others are unknown.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($2/$4) (.com/greenage22/Triple_Draw/Converter.html]converter)

SB ($21), Seat 6
Hero ($44), Seat 1
UTG ($181.50), Seat 2
CO ($98), Seat 4
Button ($138), Seat 5

Button at Seat 5.
SB posts $1. Hero posts $2.

Hand: [4s Qh 2h 6s 5s]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

<font color="#666666">UTG folds. </font><font color="red">CO raises. </font><font color="green">Button calls. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="red">Hero raises. </font><font color="red">CO raises. </font><font color="green">Button calls. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="green">Hero calls. </font>
SB takes 2. Hero discards Qh. CO takes 1. Button takes 2.

Hand: [4s 2h 6s 5s Ad]

Round 2: (16.00 SB)

<font color="green">SB checks. </font><font color="green">Hero checks. </font><font color="red">CO bets. </font><font color="green">Button calls. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="green">Hero calls. </font>
SB takes 1. Hero discards Ad. CO stands pat. Button takes 1.

Hand: [4s 2h 6s 5s Js]

Round 3: (10.00 BB)

<font color="green">SB checks. </font><font color="green">Hero checks. </font><font color="red">CO bets. </font><font color="green">Button calls. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="#666666">Hero folds. </font>

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

I would call here and feel really stupid about it afterward. Good fold.

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

This is really automatic. What are you considering doing differently?

I guess there's some non-zero chance you could win with jack high, but it's not going to happen nearly often enough. Folding on the previous draw closing the action seems ridiculous too.

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

Is it an auto-reraise from the bb with 2456 predraw ?

I would have just called and been happy to draw one to it
cheaply.

Tx.

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

Calling with a one card draw turns your hand over.

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Calling with a one card draw turns your hand over.

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Gotcha!

Thanks.

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

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Calling with a one card draw turns your hand over.

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I think its much much worse to call and draw 1 at 8763 than 2456.. Think of all the extra action you get off someone who makes a good 8 when you catch a 7.

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

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Calling with a one card draw turns your hand over.

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I mix my play in this situation, some times I cap, sometimes I call. There is meta value in both decisions, I haven't determined which option provides the greatest return of investment yet.

Re: Drawing rough in a big pot
 

Don't see anything else you could do differently, really. Overcalling on the river would be a big error.

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I still had one more draw left. The questions were 1. Whether to try to spike a 7 to make #4 and 2. Make sure the rest of the hand was ok.

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Whoops. Well, yeah, I'd keep drawing then. An 8 is going to be good as well most of the time.

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You don't have the odds if you actually need a 7 to win, but you probably don't need a 7 to win. I think a 96 is going to win here 1/4 the time.

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yeah, calling doesn't turn your hand over at all. In fact I'd put ya on 87 often enough that you'll get alot of value from me when you catch a 7. Re-raising assures you'll get little value from me if you do catch the 7 or 8, but will allow ya to outplay me with a 9 if you catch it and it's headsup. I love playing straight draws like this slower for deception value, even down to 2345.

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Easy raise predraw. Folding 2nd is player-dependent but probably right given the quality of the Stars 2-7 games. An eight is not winning all the time here.

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An eight is not winning a large percentage of the time.

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It is probably a mistake to pat with 9-7-x-x-2 in CO's spot, you should only pat a 9 if you're rough. Even if we can catch an 8 to win, we still have to beat the other two drawers, at least one of which probably has a better hand. Also, in small stakes triple draw games, I find that people rarely will pat light in a multiway pot.

Also, the fact that that the CO capped means more than it should. This is usually a big hand, in this case a smooth 7 draw.