Cash game pro, curious about MTT pro long-term trends
 

One of the reasons I play cash games instead of tournaments (well, aside from being much better at that style of game) is that the variance is a little lower, and the winning is more consistent. I prefer having many modest winning days over many small losing days and some huge wins. But thats just my style.

So, i'm curious, for those of you who are online MTT pros and play lots of them all the time, what kind of daily/weekly/monthly variance is standard? What % of days are losing (but obviously never losing too big), and what % of days do you book a small win or breakeven due to some modest cashes. I assume the big wins are what you live for, so how often do they tend to come?

Do you play cash games to mitigate the variance a little, or do you stick to MTTs exclusively?

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Dan, if you have thepokerdb I would look at trends with some really successful mega-high volume players such as SCTrojans and apestyles. this should give you an idea as to the variance they experience over given weeks/months.

Many end up making a couple hundred k over the year, and a few elites make like 500k. this was the general consensus on p5's, where its all about big tournament play.

But when playing the big 1k's and the 100r+ consistently, swings of 5 figs arent uncommon at all, and stretches of weeks without any winnings can be standard.

The best way to combat this is put in retarded volume

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run

run like the wind

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tourney grinding sounds like the worst beat ever

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DJ,

I think I'm one of the few who could be considered truly 50/50 in regards to tourney/cash game pro. I basically play whichever I feel like on a given day, and it makes playing poker much more enjoyable.

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Dan, if you have thepokerdb I would look at trends with some really successful mega-high volume players such as SCTrojans and apestyles. this should give you an idea as to the variance they experience over given weeks/months.

Many end up making a couple hundred k over the year, and a few elites make like 500k. this was the general consensus on p5's, where its all about big tournament play.

But when playing the big 1k's and the 100r+ consistently, swings of 5 figs arent uncommon at all, and stretches of weeks without any winnings can be standard.

The best way to combat this is put in retarded volume

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considering the BR you gotta have to play those mentioned donkaments, id say a solid cashgame-winner enjoys a higher a ROI with less variance. 100k$, nl2k, 700k hands a year @ like 2 PTBB --> 560k. assuming you never move up and play extremely little for a pro.

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one thing i've noticed from my recent forray into mtts dan, u dont have to think so hard. HU and 6-max cash games are a head trip. mtts u just need to get high and start clicking away

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one thing i've noticed from my recent forray into mtts dan, u dont have to think so hard. HU and 6-max cash games are a head trip. mtts u just need to get high and start clicking away

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be ready for swings of 30k in the 109r, and higher in the 1k's... that is unless u run good.

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If your a successful cash game player why not try to steadily introduce some MTTs to your playing schedule? It can pad some of your losses while you get a feel for what levels you feel comfortable with and number of tournaments at a time. I'm sure you keep some type of a database for cash games...I suggest you do the same for MTTs.

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be ready for swings of 30k in the 109r, and higher in the 1k's... that is unless u run good.

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30k++++

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sensei, the best way to do it is grind cash and then play the big tourneys. typically the only tourneys ill play are the sundays, where my edge and the potential payouts are huge. cash games are just so much more profitable/less time consuming/less stress etc.

also based on claytons post / previous knowledge i had, i can safely say that there are probably less than 15 MTT pros who will make as much as a 5/10+ grinder will in 1 year. they are the lilholdem/imperium types who run like god and put in SICK amounts of volume.

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DJ,

I think I'm one of the few who could be considered truly 50/50 in regards to tourney/cash game SEMI pro. I basically play whichever I feel like on a given day, and it makes playing poker much more enjoyable.

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I play both just to keep from getting bored/frustrated with one or the other.

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DJ,

clear out your pm box so I can holla.

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Quite often I have a few tournaments going + like 8 tables of 10/20.

Helps me play longer sessions + sometimes I get lucky and win a bunch in the donkaments.

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ansky u dont think its annoying to play both forms at the same time? i like sticking to sessions of one, or the other.

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ansky u dont think its annoying to play both forms at the same time? i like sticking to sessions of one, or the other.

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I will often enter 1 or 2 tourneys and open 8/10 cash tables. The early stages of MTT's I usually just play on auto pilot anyway. If I make it deep in a tourney I close several cash tables to pick up reads etc. in the MTTs.

Anything more than a couple tourneys though I find it difficult to do both and will usually just stick to MTTs.

I'm not Ansky obviously but just my 2c.

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Last night I was playing the 100r, step 6, and PCA DSO. I lost 25k playing 25/50, won a seat, and came 2nd in the 100r. Standard night :-\

Mikey, I generally don't have a problem mixing the two.

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30k in the 100r? ridiculous

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ansky u dont think its annoying to play both forms at the same time? i like sticking to sessions of one, or the other.

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I will often enter 1 or 2 tourneys and open 8/10 cash tables. The early stages of MTT's I usually just play on auto pilot anyway. If I make it deep in a tourney I close several cash tables to pick up reads etc. in the MTTs.

Anything more than a couple tourneys though I find it difficult to do both and will usually just stick to MTTs.

I'm not Ansky obviously but just my 2c.

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agree with everything u said.i can play like 1 or 2 then if i get deep i have to close my cash tables. btw what do you think about 2/4 lately?

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I mix cash and tournies.

For some people who are reasonably competent at poker, I don't get why they play these micro-multis in addition to the bigger buyins. Might as well just nit up 2/4 NL or something.

A bunch of the times during the week I don't even think its worth grinding multis. I only play tournies if there are a bunch worth playing. If not, I might just add the 1-2 bigger ones to my 4 tables of cash or whatever.

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I only play low MTT's if I have a losing streak in cash games, and if there isn't anything to do except playing poker. I play high MTT's and medium ones more often, but not a lot. If you lose in cash, go play 11$ and those small stakes. It is like play money to you and it is funny if you luckbox to the final table.

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one thing i've noticed from my recent forray into mtts dan, u dont have to think so hard. HU and 6-max cash games are a head trip. mtts u just need to get high and start clicking away

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ahhh, this puts into words so clearly what i love about donkaments