First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

I'm sorry for not posting the hand as required because none of the HH converters work with the site I play at. Moreover I don't think they're so important as it's the first hand in the tourney.

It's a $10+1 buy in freezeout tourney with 2k starting chips and blinds starting at 10/20. The table is 10 handed.

Dealt to me A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 raises to 55, MP3 calls, 2 folds, BTN calls, 1 fold, I raise to 200, MP1 calls, 1 fold, BTN calls

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet 700, MP1 shoves all-in, BTN calls after thinking for a while, I..


I don't think I did anything wrong PF. I make a pot size bet to force any drawing hands to fold and take the pot there. But now I face an all-in and a call this early in a freezeout tourney. Do I call here or fold my aces?

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

Raise bigger pre-flop.

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With already 3 people in for T55 before you could act I would raise preflop to ~T300. I call this flop and hope no more spades fall. Its not likely that you're already beat unless he had 99. And if you lose go find another MTT to play. I don't see how we can fold here without any reads and this flop isn't terrible for your hand.

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

So you would check/call the flop gtpitch? I was BB and first to act.
For the record I did call, MP showed QQ and BTN had 55 for a set that beat me. But I figure I'm ahead here most of the time to make the call.

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Can you give me a number here. I don't want everybody to fold PF so I figured 200 would be optimal.

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You dont want everybody to call either.

Raise around 300 - 350 and try to get atleast two of them out, this will be 100x easier to play heads up.

Why on earth would you want to go to a flop 4 handed with AA? You are just asking to lose.

Would you rather have everyone fold to your re-raise preflop and have you win some chips or have 2 people call a very small re-raise and then bad beat you out of the tournament, which I am assuming happend here.

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

Why did you edit your previous post instead of just making a new one? I was in the middle of answering your question and then BAM its gone.

GT is saying bet 700 and call the all-in, not check/call on the flop.

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

Make it 250-300 preflop. On the flop you autocall. You could be up against a set or a straight, but more then likely your up against a smaller over pair and a draw. Get it in, more times then not you're ahead in these spots in small buy in mtts.

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

Thanks for the flashback...this exact hand
happened to me at the big Central Mass 2p2 game.

Well, except I sized my bet properly and got the
hand HU...bet 2/3 pot got RR AI, threw my AA at the
player while he proudly showed his soooooted connector.

Good thing I attend those to help my skill level [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-ZEN

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

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Can you give me a number here. I don't want everybody to fold PF so I figured 200 would be optimal.

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You dont want everybody to call either.

Raise around 350 - 400 and try to get atleast two of them out, this will be 100x easier to play heads up.

Why on earth would you want to go to a flop 4 handed with AA? You are just asking to lose.

Edit: Would you rather have everyone fold to your re-raise preflop and have you win some chips or have 2 people call a very small re-raise and then bad beat you out of the tournament, which I am assuming happend here.

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Sorry about editing the post you quoted, the replies are coming in so fast.

The idea of the PF raise was to get HU but I thought 200 to be optimal (it is the first hand and raising 10xBB should be enough to make all non-premium hands fold)

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

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Thanks for the flashback...this exact hand
happened to me at the big Central Mass 2p2 game.

Well, except I sized my bet properly and got the
hand HU...bet 2/3 pot got RR AI, threw my AA at the
player while he proudly showed his soooooted connector.

Good thing I attend those to help my skill level [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-ZEN

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Game was fixed IMO [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

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So you would check/call the flop gtpitch? I was BB and first to act.
For the record I did call, MP showed QQ and BTN had 55 for a set that beat me. But I figure I'm ahead here most of the time to make the call.

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No I'm saying that you should bet 700 as you did and call his all in. If you raise more preflop you might get the button to fold his 55 and you would beat QQ there. Of course button could be extremely loose in which you were losing either way. Tough beat.

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(it is the first hand and raising 10xBB should be enough to make all non-premium hands fold)

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You didnt raise 10xBB though, you re-raise to 10xBB after 3 were already in for 2.25xBB

Thats the problem, there are 3 people already in for T55 and the T10 and T20 blinds making the pot 185 before you even get the chance to act. You throw your 55 in making it 240, then you make it another 145, so the pot is 385 and the next guy only has to call 145 to get in. He calls and the pot is 530 and the next guy only has to call 145 into 530.

With this being the first hand of the tournament, I dont mind a bigger than normal re--raise preflop here making it look like a donk raise. Later in the tournament I would make it 300ish but here I wouldnt mind re-raising 1/2 my stack and shoving the flop.

Some people play terrible early in tournaments and make ungodly raises with crap and get called by crap all the time. This might be one of those situations where you make it look like you suck and get called by someone with a crap hand.

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OK. I have played with the button before and he seems a pretty bad player imo, not sure if he would have laid down his 55

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OK. I have played with the button before and he seems a pretty bad player imo, not sure if he would have laid down his 55

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We cant be result oriented here though.

Just because he doesnt fold to a bigger raise here doesnt mean we shouldnt raise bigger. At the time we didnt know he had 55 and would flop a 5 to beat us.

In general a raise to 300ish is going to be more profitable in the long run.

Or take my 2nd line and reraise huge making it look like we are one of those "First hand donks" and then shove the flop.

Re: First hand in a tourney I get AA
 

I see. Thank you all for the answers. I was just a bit stuck here, it's not that often that I get AA this early in a tourney. I never slowplay aces PF but I guess this early I just didn't know what was the right play. Also I'm not upset by being beaten by his set, I just wanted to know the right play in this situation.