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vapourtrail 11-03-2007 05:36 AM

5-10 NL funny quads hand
 
no reads on villain, sat down a couple of orbits ago and seems standard. played 20%-ish PF. won one small pot with one pair.

10-handed. 5/10$ blinds. NL. cryptologic game. effective stacks a bit more than 1k$

I have 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG, I limp.
Villain limps on button
SB folds
BB checks

Flop (35$)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
all check

Turn (35$)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
BB checks
I bet 15$
Button calls 15$
BB folds

River (65$)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
I bet 60$
Button raises all-in to 1k$
I ...

Is this a harder spot than I originally thought? "Surprise ending" coming up ... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DanJ. 11-03-2007 05:41 AM

Re: 5-10 NL funny quads hand
 
umm...i play this so much differently, but as played there is no way in the world i am folding, he could just have AsXx

Bv3 11-03-2007 05:48 AM

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he had KK?

jcl 11-03-2007 05:52 AM

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u played this hand so bad id raise preflop lead the flop and bet more on turn. i doubt hes making a retarded bluff on this board and we can effectively rule out KK QQ JJ and i doubt he's making this play with As since board is paired and he effectively has the Ks on a normal flushed and paired board. so he has Ts and u deserve it and i no u didnt fold it

SteveyJay 11-03-2007 05:57 AM

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i would fold here pretty quick as played

this is Ts about always

Big_Jim 11-03-2007 06:39 AM

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I've never folded quads before, but I would fold this pretty easy, I think.

As? lol

Bet the flop all day long.

onedollars 11-03-2007 06:51 AM

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I think he has a boat - call

jcl 11-03-2007 07:05 AM

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lol how

vapourtrail 11-03-2007 07:11 AM

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hahaha lots of ball busting in here. nobody EVER limps UTG 10-handed with 99? nobody EVER checks a made hand?

anyways, here's my analysis. feel free to disagree. a boat with limped KK/QQ/JJ (6 combos) on the button seems unlikely. maybe he limps in 5% of the time. AT-JT with Ts (13 combos) are likely to limp button. AsXx (41 combos) down to even A2 might limp the button. So more or less he has to be pushing 1/3 of the time whenever he has As or boat to make calling null EV. This is assuming he also pushes Ts.

surprise ending coming up, haha ... i guess not really much deep poker analysis in this hand ... mostly just wanted to share because i thought it was amusing

Big_Jim 11-03-2007 07:51 AM

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nobody EVER checks a made hand?

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This just isn't a good spot to do it on, IMO.

Were you gonna c/r if somebody bet? Do you expect somebody to call you with Kx if you check raise? I suppose this depends a lot on the action, but I just think a c/r is generally too strong here, and c/c can be transparent (as at least 9x) too, depending on the action.

Betting is going to get you a lot more value out of Kx, and most draws aren't gonna fold anyway, I suppose you get more value out of the gutterballs coming in, but they might stick around anyway.

As played, I just don't see him showing up with air nearly often enough, and I don't think he shows up with a worse made hand hardly ever.

Big_Jim 11-03-2007 07:56 AM

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could it be a misclick? I don't play on crypto, so I don't know how their software works.

vapourtrail 11-03-2007 08:35 AM

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This just isn't a good spot to do it on, IMO.


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so:

air might bet the flop but fold if i bet. in these cases i win an extra bet.

once in a while it will get checked through and a hand that would have folded the flop (such as a low PP, gutshot or As) will spike big on the turn or river

on the other hand,

a king is definately going to be spooked by c/c. i could always lead turn and river if he bets the flop to try to extract here. but i agree that lead flop usually gets more juice out of the Ks

spades might also raise a flop bet. if i check/call flop, he might be inclined to bet again on turn and river, maybe not. for sure if he makes the flush and i then C/R that will also look quite suspicious, but hard to say how far an unknown would be willing to go with it.

seems close to me. one way wins a small amount more a higher percentage of the time, the other way wins big pots once in a while.

ikestoys 11-03-2007 08:37 AM

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if theres a bbj call, otherwise fold

vapourtrail 11-03-2007 09:40 AM

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RESULTS:

i almost snap-call

look at pot, look at bet, look at board
for a moment

"hells no not folding quads" , click "call"

...

...

my chips are not moving ... nothing is moving ...

my internet connection goes up three hands later, i never know what he had!

f'ed, or f'ing lucky ?! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

good luck at the tables all

jcl 11-03-2007 09:45 AM

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well u could reopen ur client later and see if ur balance is -1000 or +1000 lol

vapourtrail 11-03-2007 10:14 AM

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well u could reopen ur client later and see if ur balance is -1000 or +1000 lol

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no, lost connection, no all-in protection, it folded me ...

jcl 11-03-2007 10:17 AM

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but u said u clicked call! u expect to see the chips moving if u dont see the call button compress into the screen!?? def saved u 1k neway.

on another note thatd be a mad time to abuse DP lol. can u imagine someone going 'omfg this guy had quads and disconnected when i put him to the test wat a cheat!'

Mat 11-03-2007 10:20 AM

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ban OP

luegofuego 11-03-2007 10:22 AM

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clearly made up hand. better luck next time idiot

vapourtrail 11-03-2007 10:25 AM

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hahaha, yeah i dunno what happened. maybe it wasn't the connection, just the program crashed? this was interpoker. i clicked the call button with mouse but the button didn't move and no "click" sound ...

hahah .... i can imagine if they had DP though .... other guy would be so pissed when he sees my hand flip over, so sick

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but u said u clicked call! u expect to see the chips moving if u dont see the call button compress into the screen!?? def saved u 1k neway.

on another note thatd be a mad time to abuse DP lol. can u imagine someone going 'omfg this guy had quads and disconnected when i put him to the test wat a cheat!'

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vapourtrail 11-03-2007 10:28 AM

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clearly made up hand. better luck next time idiot

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haha, all hatazs in here huh ... just thought i would share this hand with you that i found funny , you can take it as you like

later !

Sawa 11-03-2007 01:44 PM

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FireStorm 11-03-2007 02:10 PM

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Don't raise preflop, this is terrible. However, I do agree on not checking the flop, this is horrendous. Lead out, $20 seems good. Depending on the result of this, lead the turn.

What to do on the river simply depends on how much gamble you have in you. No way to really know if this is the nuts, or a FH/naked As. Could be either. He could be overshoving the Ts thinking you have just led the turn with the As. this really comes down to whether or not you have the wherewithal to fold quads.

DanJ. 11-03-2007 02:10 PM

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soah 11-03-2007 02:32 PM

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this hand is funny, but not for the reasons you think

Jamougha 11-03-2007 02:34 PM

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Bet the flop, someone has a K or fd or they don't and you don't get payed anyway if they don't.

Obviously fold the river.

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