NL$100, KK postflop
 

UTG is 23/8/1.2 after about 500 hands. He does not bet often, especially not on the flop. Effective stacks $180. Fold the river? Fold the turn? Raise somewhere?

edited to add: He does not seem to play loose postflop.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $12</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($25.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($35.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $25</font>, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($85.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $70</font>, Hero..?

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

Raise Flop

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

I think you have to raise the flop. It's very draw heavy and you have to protect your hand. On river I'd probably fold, but your hand is underrepresented making it more difficult.

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

So form your description this guy doesn't bet out with a draw, right? If so, then the river is very interesting. JT just got counterfeited and I am thinking that is a part of his range (along with a set).

Since you played the flop and turn so passively I think the river is a call.

What was your rationale for calling his flop underbet? That is where I would usually attack a player like this.

OT - Nice to see you back in SSNL......

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

Sup bro, longtimenosee.

I think your value calls have induced villian to overplay something or other much of the time. Call.

I would probably raise the flop though. If he 3b pushed, you could probably fold.

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

you play like a fish, you put yourself in tough situations...

raise the flop and the picture becomes much clearer

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

WTF raise flop, check turn... riv is call MAYBE even valueshove against QQ, JT, or AJ b/c those hands wont fold

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

Why would you not raise that weak lead/probe on the flop?

As played, definate call on the river.

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

[ QUOTE ]
So form your description this guy doesn't bet out with a draw, right? If so, then the river is very interesting. JT just got counterfeited and I am thinking that is a part of his range (along with a set).

[/ QUOTE ] That is right. I dont' think he would lead the flop with a draw. But I doubt he would raise JT utg and call a reraise given 8%pfr, but he might. What I really doubt is if he would be the river this big with it, and if he would bet the river at all. Why would he? Keep in mind that this guy is passive.

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

doesnt matter if he's passive, you need to raise his weak flop lead, if he calls that it becomes much easier. we're just guessing here, even passive guys can lash out with bluffs/overvaluing hands. as played your hand is so underrepresented that i think you have to call, but dont play it like this...

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

Thread this weak flop bet like a check, even passive villains pull this off with basically any two cards when facing the right situation. So raise the flop, if he pushes its an easy fold against this villain. If he calls and leads turn its probably also a fold, and if he checks the turn I'd probably bet again to get value from draws/1p type of hands (I presume he bets the turn with 2p).

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

This looks a lot like JJ/TT to me, as I think JT is probably not in his range (8% PFR). Probably hopes to induce a raise on the flop and then keeps on value betting when you just call.

Given the draw heavy board and his low bet, you have to raise the flop here and probably fold to a 3-bet as you have the read that he is rather passive with draws.

But when your calling flop and turn, u have to call the river as that 6 is only improving your hand and still a lot of draws missed and he might even have AJ/QQ/JT.

Re: NL$100, KK postflop
 

I would raise flop, but I think you will see a set alot here, b/c he raised utg then called your 3-bet and then led out into you with a weak bet, which to me looks like a b/3b-allin line. Also he definately started betting alot higher on turn and river after you just called the flop after 3-betting pf. As played I would have a tough time folding the river, b/c I have an overpair and I make bad river calls