$16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

This is two-pair/set/lower flush/random hand enough to push for value right? I think there's a ton of worse hands he'll call with.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t20, Hero calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks

Turn: (t60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t40</font>, BB calls t40, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>

River: (t140) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t110</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to t400</font>

Re: $16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

Bet flop.
Call river.
Edit: Put his range on any two clubs and it's an insta call.

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush. You lose to 13 combos and beat 15 but I'd still call as he could have something goofy.

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My line usually is
checked flop
bet turn,
check/call the river

I'm definitely calling the river as played.

IMO in general Pudge Advice &gt; BHokie Advice

I'm interested on Pudge's reasons for betting the flop, maybe because only the button limped and he obviously doesn't have a strong hand.

If you bet the flop do you bet the turn when you hit or c/c, if you miss the turn I assume it's an easy c/f.

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Calling wasn't even a question, of course I'm calling the river. Re-re-raise all-in for value is the question. I really think this is sets, two pair, or lower flushes enough that pay-off a push.

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Calling wasn't even a question, of course I'm calling the river. Re-re-raise all-in for value is the question. I really think this is sets, two pair, or lower flushes enough that pay-off a push.

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I'd defintely push. Since villan was the BB I think a random two pair hand is even more likely.

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Calling wasn't even a question, of course I'm calling the river. Re-re-raise all-in for value is the question. I really think this is sets, two pair, or lower flushes enough that pay-off a push.

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This early I wouldn't, the times you bust don't make up for the times you get stacked IMO. It's a nice take down if you are ahead and you have time to recover if you are behind. This early I'd weigh surviving, over getting stacked.

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nit alert

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the times you bust don't make up for the times you get stacked IMO

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nit alert

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the times you bust don't make up for the times you get stacked IMO

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Yeah I'm a total nit early
It's the $16s there's a bigger edge late [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: $16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

Hate preflop.

Think 60 turn is way better than 40 as well.

On river fold is out of the question, and check/call would give up tremendous amounts of value.

Re: $16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

I'd play it the same and call the river, I'd need a read to shove the river.

Re: $16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

I play it the same if I'm in, but fold preflop. I bet out flop sometimes here, but probably not in this particular spot.

Honestly, I don't see any reason to get involved preflop at all. I know that's not really the crux of the hand, but that's what stuck out.

Just call river in a SNG. BHokie and others are right.

Re: $16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

I would shove the river. The only hands you're behind are Ax and Jx suited. And since he was in the BB, that seems even more unlikely. I think there are a lot of hands he pays you off with. I wouldn't back down just because you don't have the nuts.

Re: $16t: Turned flush on first hand
 

OP,

I posted a pretty similar hand a day or 2 ago. You can go find it if you feel so inclined (and didn't already look at it).

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush.

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What do you mean by this?

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush.

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What do you mean by this?

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Give villain two random clubs, voilá!

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush.

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What do you mean by this?

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Give villain two random clubs, voilá!

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Still not following. How are you calculating the 50/50 math??

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This early I wouldn't, the times you bust don't make up for the times you get stacked IMO. It's a nice take down if you are ahead and you have time to recover if you are behind. This early I'd weigh surviving, over getting stacked.

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I think you just patched a leak of mine. Thanks!

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Am I a total nit if I fold this preflop?

Just call the river - no reason to get stacked on the first hand when you (presumably) have a skill edge you can parlay later.

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush.

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What do you mean by this?

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Give villain two random clubs, voilá!

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Still not following. How are you calculating the 50/50 math??

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You see 5 clubs. There are 8 left. Possible combinations that beat you are:

A2, A4, A6, A7, A8, A9, AJ,
J2, J4, J6, J7, J8, J9,

And combinations that don't beat you are:

92, 94, 96, 97, 98
82, 84, 86, 87
72, 74, 76,
62, 64,
42

13 you lose, 15 you win. Roughly 50/50.

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush.

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What do you mean by this?

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Give villain two random clubs, voilá!

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Still not following. How are you calculating the 50/50 math??

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kc qc 3c 5c Tc are dead.
Flushes that are beating you a2,4,6,7,8,9,j j2,4,6,7,8,9 =13 combos

Flushes you are beating 92,4,6,7,8, 82,4,6,7 72,4,6 62,4 2,4 =15

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Meh 3rd nut flush is roughly 50/50 against any other flush.

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What do you mean by this?

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Give villain two random clubs, voilá!

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Still not following. How are you calculating the 50/50 math??

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You see 5 clubs. There are 8 left. Possible combinations that beat you are:

A2, A4, A6, A7, A8, A9, AJ,
J2, J4, J6, J7, J8, J9,

And combinations that don't beat you are:

92, 94, 96, 97, 98
82, 84, 86, 87
72, 74, 76,
62, 64,
42

13 you lose, 15 you win. Roughly 50/50.

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alright. thanks

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Am I a total nit if I fold this preflop?

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No that's fine, probably more 2p2'ers than not would just fold. I don't think it matters either way.

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Just call the river - no reason to get stacked on the first hand when you (presumably) have a skill edge you can parlay later

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I don't have a skill edge.

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i dont think anyone could criticise you for folding Tc5c pre, especially on the first hand of an SNG.

i think its simple poker theory - don't play speculative hands OOP as it gets you into tricky situations like this.

-donk

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Am I a total nit if I fold this preflop?

Just call the river - no reason to get stacked on the first hand when you (presumably) have a skill edge you can parlay later.

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I fold Preflop, if it's more of a family pot I might limp.