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viper930 10-17-2006 01:26 AM

FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
This guy has built up his stack but doesnt seem all that great. Whats your standard for playing your OESD here and whats the turn move and subsequent riv plan? Villain is 42/19/2.5

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $284.65
UTG+1: $136.95
CO: $233.20
Button: $100
Hero: $109.35
BB: $97.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($11, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($27, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $40</font>, Hero?

carnivalhobo 10-17-2006 01:28 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
call

beachbum 10-17-2006 01:38 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
Will he fire on the turn if you check to him? C/c'ing might be best here, or even c/r'ing if it's got higher FE. Depends on how you and he have played turns in previous hands.

Also, I typically don't like to raise this hand and build up a pot OOP preflop. But maybe that's a small leak of mine.

wall_st 10-17-2006 02:04 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
I like a check call on the turn as well, but given the action you must call.

dchz 10-17-2006 02:06 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
given the way it is played i'd call

i must agree about not raising this OOP PF

BalugaWhale 10-17-2006 02:12 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
i don't raise this pf either


call the turn raise and probably stack him by hitting any part of the river.

viper930 10-17-2006 02:25 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
I called, River is Qc. I check, he pushes. Action?

forshure 10-17-2006 02:27 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
Fold, and I think that raising preflop in this spot against a fish limper w/ a tight bb can be fine.

dchz 10-17-2006 02:28 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
well the pot is ~100, and you are calling 60 to win a 220 pot,getting 60 : 160 on your call, do you think this is a +EV play?

how often is this a set or 2 pair here given your read?

EDIT: i can't do math at 2 am [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

dchz 10-17-2006 02:29 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
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Fold, and I think that raising preflop in this spot against a fish limper w/ a tight bb can be fine.

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do you really fold this given the pot odds?

viper930 10-17-2006 02:30 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
dchz,

it is about 55 to win 155, giving me just about 3:1

cs3 10-17-2006 04:05 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
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Also, I typically don't like to raise this hand and build up a pot OOP preflop. But maybe that's a small leak of mine.

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what? you guys are really just completing from the SB against a CO open limper? maybe once in a while i will to to mix it up, and if there are like 3 limpers ill usually just complete, but in this spot a raise looks perfect.

TheProbst 10-17-2006 04:37 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
Ya without question raise pf is fine. I raise this 100% of the time. As played call turn. I would rather check/call though.

pfkaok 10-17-2006 04:53 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
Depending on how aggressive villian is, I think CR AI on turn might be best. Unless of course he's really loose/bad and will call the push with 2nd pair type hands. If you check though, and he bets really small then, I think you just call. But if its a reasonable sized bet then I like mixing it up between pushing and calling, but mostly pushing.

beachbum 10-17-2006 05:23 AM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
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what? you guys are really just completing from the SB against a CO open limper? maybe once in a while i will to to mix it up, and if there are like 3 limpers ill usually just complete, but in this spot a raise looks perfect.

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I'd much rather raise 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] here than KQo. I guess it depends more on villain's postflop tendencies. I don't necessarily want a bet going in on all 3 postflop streets w/ just TPGK either, which there's a good chance of having happening against this type of opponent.

cs3 10-17-2006 03:14 PM

Re: FT Draw Vs Semi Lagfish
 
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what? you guys are really just completing from the SB against a CO open limper? maybe once in a while i will to to mix it up, and if there are like 3 limpers ill usually just complete, but in this spot a raise looks perfect.

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I'd much rather raise 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] here than KQo. I guess it depends more on villain's postflop tendencies. I don't necessarily want a bet going in on all 3 postflop streets w/ just TPGK either, which there's a good chance of having happening against this type of opponent.

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if theres a good chance he bets 3 streets anytime he's in a hand then your TPGK is usually the nuts. I just think that if you limp from the SB here agasint a LAGtard there is a much smaller chance that you win the pot, and when you do win its going ot be small.


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