Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

I had villain for ~70 hands. Mostly from a previous session. His stats were 20/11/2.1 After the hand I thought **** he outplayed me. But reviewing it I think I was OK. What do you think.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

What do you assume his turn c/r means?

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At that point I figure I'm probably behind. But I still like my drawing potential. Your point is good. If I'm sure I am behind I have to fold the river. Even holding TPTK maybe I had enough information to do that. I was looking at the wrong street. I was thinking maybe I should have checked through on the turn. Which would have meant I had to call the river. Either way I guess I gave away 1 BB.

I think villain's line c/r, c/r helped me lose my focus [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

just 3bet the flop

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BBB- Where should my 3 bet take me?Should I be able to 3 bet/fold to a flop cap in this situation?

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lol no
pretty much never fold tptk in 6m

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At that point I figure I'm probably behind. But I still like my drawing potential. Your point is good. If I'm sure I am behind I have to fold the river. Even holding TPTK maybe I had enough information to do that. I was looking at the wrong street. I was thinking maybe I should have checked through on the turn. Which would have meant I had to call the river. Either way I guess I gave away 1 BB.

I think villain's line c/r, c/r helped me lose my focus [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Wow, this is pretty much ALL wrong. You're not folding the river, you're NEVER checking behind on the turn. The whole point of calling his flop raise is to raise him on the turn (right? RIGHT????). So you'd have gotten 2 bets in on the turn in any case, so don't fret the c/r. Be happy that he din't b/3bet you.

And I like the call, c/r turn idea. Aggros raise a wide range on the flop and vs. that range, you basically hold the nuts. So you want to get as much $$$ in as possible. Seeing that there are relatively few turn cards that can hurt you, and seeing that aggros follow up on any turn with anything they c/r with (exceptions are there to prove the validity of the rule), you get another BB out of them basically always, while a 3bet just makes them call down, keeps their implieds alive etc.

And the point of asking of what you make of his c/r is that it doesn't do you too much good asking US what we'd do in a GENERAL scenario that's similar to yours. Well, that's not all too helpful in figuring out how you should have responded in that particular hand. So what's crucial here is that you come up with a set of assumptions of what villains actions signify. What range will he c/r the flop with? What range will he follow up on the turn? What range will he check once you call his flop c/r? How often does he screw-play? Don't tell me "I have no clue" - because if you don't have a clue, all me telling you what I'd do wouldn't change the fact that you again wouldn't have a clue the next time this situation comes up. So ask the right question (which is not: "What should I do here" but "Well, I guess he'd do this and that in this'n'that scenario. What's the best line given those assumptions and are those assumptions ok?").

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

Edit to add: Unless your image at the table is "spewtastic lagtard", BB's line is retarded pretty much regardless of what he holds.

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

3 bet flop/ and call down if reraised

if called bet the turn and call a reraise and call down.

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3 bet flop/ and call down if reraised

if called bet the turn and call a reraise and call down.

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God, how I love those posts where someone burps out some run of the mill line and actually thinks he's doing something meaningful.

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

Actually I am since I post for me and really couldn't care less if someone thinks this is useful for them or not.

If they have questions as to why I posted this they are free to do so.

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Actually I am since I post for me and really couldn't care less if someone thinks this is useful for them or not.

If they have questions as to why I posted this they are free to do so.

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from the faq:

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A bad reply is little better then a terrible one, but at least the intent is good. A bad reply suggests a solution to a given hand but gives no reason for the play or line. Examples include:

-“Call”
-“b/c-c/f”
-“Easy fold”
-“Fold pf” ect.

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Interesting I am getting read the riot act when I wrote more than BBB did earlier.

Ironic I just got berated in another post for being too long winded.

Guess its not only fat comedians who get no respect; fat, irish abnoxious Canadians get treated the same way.

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

cmon guys dont make wook have to lock this thread

op, 3 betting the flop and calling and raising the turn are all viable options. obviously there are more risks associated with waiting to raise the turn but a potentially higher reward, and you're good enough to know what those are.

Re: Anybody play this AQs differently? 6max
 

The reason you didn't 3 bet the flop was because you want to CR the turn -

otherwise 3 bet the flop - lead the turn

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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The reason you didn't 3 bet the flop was because you want to CR the turn -

otherwise 3 bet the flop - lead the turn


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I think that you meant to agree with Fret &amp; Kit by saying either 3-bet flop and bet turn if checked to, or call flop raise with intention of raising turn. (as you had position on villain, who was in the BB).

I think that I would have played this hand the same as Bona.

Villain's limited stats looked reasonable to me for 6-max, so I would have called his flop raise to encourage him to bet into me again on the turn with a weaker hand.

Villain's turn c/r after his flop c/r seemed a strange line to me. It is too tricky for my liking, because if villain had the best hand on the flop and hero called the c/r with a draw, he was allowing the turn to get checked through.

Because it is hard after villain's strange turn c/r to feel comfortable about putting him on a hand, I would call down with TPTK, in case villain was FOS or overplaying something like a weaker Q. Edit: Missed earlier, that you have to call the turn raise after you pick up the nut flush draw !

I would also be prepared to see villain turn over a tricky played 55 or 66 as the flop seemed rather dry, which would I would make a note of, if that happened.

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:grunch:

I think I can find a fold on the river. His line is really bad news for a pair.