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Bellagio 30-60.

CO in this hand is the Asian dealer I've mentioned before. Plays too many hands, is reasonably aggressive, is better than most dealers, but still bad. Occasionally she stumbles her way into playing hands well, though.

Preflop:
The Dude opens 5 off the button w/ A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Folded to CO who calls. Everyone folds.

Flop: (5.67 SBs) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 Players)</font>
The Dude bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.8 BBs) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
The Dude bets, CO raises, The Dude calls.

River: (7.8 BBs) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
The Dude checks, CO turbo bets. The Dude...?

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I'd fold preflop from that early, and just fold the river as played against a bad player. No need to try to win every pot.

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Let's see, it costs 2BB to try to win 9BB. You know what, I think she folds often enough to make this a profitable river checkraise. Do it.

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If I decided not to 3 bet the turn, I dont think I am going to get fancy now.

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Fold.

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I can't imagine not folding here.

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Let's see, it costs 2BB to try to win 9BB. You know what, I think she folds often enough to make this a profitable river checkraise. Do it.

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joker, many of the times she folds she has a missed draw and you had the best hand anyway. The c/r is only useful if you think you can get her to fold a T. I don't think many people will, and even less "bad" people... though ofc it depends on the type of bad.

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glad to see your not having fun with me today.

Turn - talk to us about the villain's range because your turn bet may or may not be ideal. This might be a good spot for a value check.

Is she the tricky cold-call with KK type who will raise the turn HU, the small pair call the flop raise any non A type (the trademarked Bellagio semi-float), or is she the cold call with ATs and call any flop type? A river c/r will work with type 2 &amp; 3, but will fail with type 1. Of course a c/r will also fail with 2 pair or better (unlikely within her range unless she hit a set). Lastly if she is the cold call with AK type with the intention of calling down bare then there is nothing you can do.

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At the Bellagio I 3 bet this turn and more or less dark bet the river, unless this is a particular breed of player who is more suited to be playing at Commerce. Then I just call the river I think.

-DeathDonkey

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anyone ever CR this turn?

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anyone ever CR this turn?

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I don't like to c/r HU when all I can represent is a draw.

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anyone ever CR this turn?

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I don't like to c/r HU when all I can represent is a draw.

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would you consider a CR on a different board, like KJx (two clubs) or KKx (two clubs)?

i've never taken a line like this but i'm willing to consider creative liberties

(sorry if thread hijacking)

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At the Bellagio I 3 bet this turn and more or less dark bet the river, unless this is a particular breed of player who is more suited to be playing at Commerce. Then I just call the river I think.


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DD,

Your 3b obviously gets more money in from draws. I assume it also gains you some fold equity: which pairs do you think will fold when you cbet the river after 3betting the turn?

Also, can you describe the commerce breed that makes you just calldown?

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Let's see, it costs 2BB to try to win 9BB. You know what, I think she folds often enough to make this a profitable river checkraise. Do it.

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joker, many of the times she folds she has a missed draw and you had the best hand anyway. The c/r is only useful if you think you can get her to fold a T. I don't think many people will, and even less "bad" people... though ofc it depends on the type of bad.

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I think she folds a T often enough. Dude can represent AK/KQ (with clubs as well) pretty believably, and his line looks like he got there on the river and wants to get paid off by a crying-call T-hand.

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It's a lot easier to get villian to fold to a turn c/r than a river c/r and at least if you c/r the turn you have some outs. Very few people fold a reasonable pair for one bet on the river

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What makes you people think she has a "reasonable pair?"

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Against some Bellagio guys I wouldn't be shocked if they rivered TP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something and folded it and showed and said "oops caught the wrong one".

The breed I'm thinking of that's prevalent at Commerce is the tricky LAG type but not good enough to choose good board textures. So like if they had a pocket pair or suited connector that hit this flop they would just raise right there, so their range on the turn is like {semibluff, pair of tens, set, straight, complete nothing}. I have no fold equity against them because they don't make big folds so if I'm wrong and they do have a pp or I'm sometimes right and they have Tx, its certainly getting shown down. They will bluff the river with their full range unless something drastic happens (maybe an ace hits river and they change their mind and give up). If I were up against one of these guys though a turn check is appealing.

-DeathDonkey

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trying to get loose asian dealers to fold seems pretty futile to me

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What makes you people think she has a "reasonable pair?"

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precisely why it might have been be a good spot for a turn value check. That board has "float me!" written all over it for a tricky opponent.

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trying to get loose asian dealers to fold seems pretty futile to me

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usually I am busy trying to get other things from loose Asian dealers. I love play pokher. I kid I kid....

If the player type is loose enough to call a 3-bet and a river bet with AT then as DD pointed out the agro line is futile.