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geormiet 08-04-2007 02:07 AM

current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
post ratio

current net worth : lifetime earnings from any work/poker/gambling pretax

0evg0 08-04-2007 02:09 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:6

i guess? really hard to esimate both

and i'm 19, just moved out on my own, only started making real money during 2007

NLSoldier 08-04-2007 02:09 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
prob like 1:2 but like 2 months ago it was more like 1:80

SkeetyMcdoogle 08-04-2007 02:36 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
SCHOOLS FOR FOOLS LOOK AT ME

townierailer 08-04-2007 02:40 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1.2:1

_JoeJimJoe 08-04-2007 02:44 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
0:infiniti

I WAS BR0N RICH

Al_Money 08-04-2007 02:48 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:1.04

captZEEbo 08-04-2007 05:05 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:1 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

yay stocks paying living expenses [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

RikaKazak 08-04-2007 05:25 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
no idea

keikiwai 08-04-2007 05:27 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
this thread is off to a swimming start

also, no idea

ShipitFMA 08-04-2007 05:31 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
15:1

Billy Bibbit 08-04-2007 05:34 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
Do my car, TV, computer, furniture, etc. count as part of my net worth? If so then it's about 1:3, otherwise about 1:5.

Paying rent in the Bay Area sucks.

Ansky 08-04-2007 05:36 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
prob like 1:3 maybe 1:4

...tuition, rent, TAXES, ballin, etc.

Flintoff 08-04-2007 05:39 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
2:1

d0nkaments 08-04-2007 05:42 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
7:1

raptor517 08-04-2007 05:44 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:2.5

taxes/lots of spending. yays.

Dangeresque 08-04-2007 06:09 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
-1:35 Or thereabouts.

kyleb 08-04-2007 06:13 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:god i hate my life

Arito 08-04-2007 06:17 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:40

kyleb 08-04-2007 06:20 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
p.s. lol at people posting net worth > lifetime earnings

sure i bet half of you are joking but that leaves the other half

Sooga 08-04-2007 06:40 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
pretty damn close to 1:3

wazz 08-04-2007 06:40 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:70

jfish 08-04-2007 09:38 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
$200k:$300k [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

Mothercanuck 08-04-2007 09:55 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:5

davebreal 08-04-2007 09:59 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:3
i could be way off, but that's what i'm going with

IronFly 08-04-2007 10:07 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
I think most of the estimates around 1:3 are WAY too low.

Not saying that any particular person's estimate is too low, just that in general I don't think many people on the forum are saving in excess of 10% of their gross income every year.

Edit: I'll post some more later...

stinkypete 08-04-2007 10:07 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
probably about 3:4. a week ago it probably would have been more like 4:5.

CaptainBusto 08-04-2007 10:11 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
p.s. lol at people posting net worth > lifetime earnings

sure i bet half of you are joking but that leaves the other half

[/ QUOTE ]
investments + increased realestate values.
2:1

FatalError 08-04-2007 10:13 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:4.5

[censored] TAXES

also i have a bad habit of trading in for a new BMW every 15 months


AllinDan 08-04-2007 10:33 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:15 ish.

Snygaard 08-04-2007 10:34 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:1,25

IronFly 08-04-2007 10:37 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
Let us take hypothetical two’er. Each year he receives a 10% raise, invests 10% of his gross income, and earns a 10% after-tax return on his investments. Our two’er is doing quite well.

After 5 years, this hypothetical two’er has a ratio of net worth to lifetime earnings of 1:8.3 . After ten years the ratio is 1:6.75.

It is certainly possible to do better. Say you save 20% and earn returns of 12% after tax every year for 10 years (possible, but very difficult and improbable). After five years you will have a ratio of 1:4. Only after ten years do we reach the fabled ratio of 1:3.

So there are a lot of overly optimistic posts in this thread, or else people are getting inheritances/trusts funds.

phishguy 08-04-2007 10:41 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:3

IronFly 08-04-2007 10:45 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
[ QUOTE ]
1:3

[/ QUOTE ]

sweet, me too.

curtains 08-04-2007 10:52 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
[ QUOTE ]
Let us take hypothetical two’er. Each year he receives a 10% raise, invests 10% of his gross income, and earns a 10% after-tax return on his investments. Our two’er is doing quite well.

After 5 years, this hypothetical two’er has a ratio of net worth to lifetime earnings of 1:8.3 . After ten years the ratio is 1:6.75.

It is certainly possible to do better. Say you save 20% and earn returns of 12% after tax every year for 10 years (possible, but very difficult and improbable). After five years you will have a ratio of 1:4. Only after ten years do we reach the fabled ratio of 1:3.

So there are a lot of overly optimistic posts in this thread, or else people are getting inheritances/trusts funds.

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Why would someone automatically spend that much money? Just because you think its normal to save only 10-20% doesn't mean that it is for everyone. Honestly someone who plays a lot of poker and does very well, is completely out of their mind if they only save 10% of their winnings per year.

siccjay 08-04-2007 11:10 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
1:10 at least

IronFly 08-04-2007 11:11 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
Curtains,

Its just a hypothetical, although I think it is not an unreasonable one. I also gave a case with saving 20%.

The national savings rate is usually below 5% (http://www.wisegeek.com/how-much-do-americans-save.htm). Perhaps poker players (or 2+2’ers) are a more thrifty subset of the population, but given the balla lifestyle posts that get made from time to time, I decided to err on the side of caution.

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Honestly someone who plays a lot of poker and does very well, is completely out of their mind if they only save 10% of their winnings per year.

[/ QUOTE ]

But yet people who do very well earning money in a career struggle to save only 10% of their earnings. I agree with you – people should save more! But statistically and anecdotally Americans just don’t save much of their income.

I’m not an expert on the subject by any means, if you have some more thoughts on it please share.

good2cu 08-04-2007 11:28 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
Ummmm i dont even want to think about it.

ike 08-04-2007 11:31 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
[ QUOTE ]
Curtains,

Its just a hypothetical, although I think it is not an unreasonable one. I also gave a case with saving 20%.

The national savings rate is usually below 5% (http://www.wisegeek.com/how-much-do-americans-save.htm). Perhaps poker players (or 2+2’ers) are a more thrifty subset of the population, but given the balla lifestyle posts that get made from time to time, I decided to err on the side of caution.

[ QUOTE ]
Honestly someone who plays a lot of poker and does very well, is completely out of their mind if they only save 10% of their winnings per year.

[/ QUOTE ]

But yet people who do very well earning money in a career struggle to save only 10% of their earnings. I agree with you – people should save more! But statistically and anecdotally Americans just don’t save much of their income.

I’m not an expert on the subject by any means, if you have some more thoughts on it please share.

[/ QUOTE ]

the national savings rate is that low because most people in america are broke or in debt working [censored] jobs with relatively high expenses (like having a family)
2+2'ers on the other hand are mostly in their 20's with next to no expenses and many of us (especially the people who've answered this thread so far) are raking in tons of money from poker.

Rhand 08-04-2007 11:48 AM

Re: current net worth vs. liftime earnings
 
like 1:2,5

Hate thinking about it but I really ponder sometimes where all that money went.


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