Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #2614159893: Table Bell (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:47:12 ET - 2007/06/08
Seat 1: btwfupkmgr ($200)
Seat 2: MoneyB517 ($1,533)
Seat 3: Klausen ($985)
Seat 4: good2BtheKing ($262)
Seat 5: LetThereBeLight ($900)
Seat 6: Hava Nagila ($1,302)
Hava Nagila posts the small blind of $5
btwfupkmgr posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hava Nagila [As Ah]
MoneyB517 folds
Klausen folds
good2BtheKing folds
LetThereBeLight raises to $35
Hava Nagila calls $30
btwfupkmgr folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Tc Qd]
Hava Nagila bets $65
LetThereBeLight has 15 seconds left to act
LetThereBeLight raises to $275
Hava Nagila has 15 seconds left to act
Hava Nagila ????


I don't know the villain, per se, but I do know he is a regular, so his button raising range is obv very wide. The BB, however, only has $200 and I just stacked him 5 hands ago w/ TT vs AQ AIPF. He seems a bit steamed, so I elected to smooth call the raise in hope the BB either calls or squeezes. Unfortunately, the BB folds, but I now have aces HU and my hand is totally disguised.

The flop is obv very ugly. Rather than go for a scary check/raise or even check/call, I decided to lead (too obv?)to see where I was at. He made a big raise over the top of me for 30% of his stack. What do you do?

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now that you got here like this, i think you have to put it in. A lot of scary cards that can come on the turn, and your out of position. He would easily be value raising AQ or KQ or be on pure air. Either way your hand is very disguised and since there are a ton of scarecards, i dont see any move but to move in.

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

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What do you do?

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start posting in msnl?

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

Fair enough (tho I'm certainly not the only one posting 5/10 hands). Anything to say about the hand?

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

if your ahead u probally barely beat his range

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looks like a really standard fold as you beat none of his range as it is and tons of scare cards can come

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I hate it but I prob fold.

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Reverse implieds up the wahzoo. Out of position. Muck. I hate your flop donk too. What's the point of slowplaying and deciding to lead on this flop with absolutely no idea wtf to do if you're raised?

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I was unsure of what to do on this flop. In hind-sight, I'm thinking the best play would've been to check/call the flop and lead a brick on the turn. I can't check/raise the flop b/c there are a ton of hands he could semi-bluff with to 4-bet all in. IDK, I was completely baffled here.

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fold flop, bryn kenney owns you donks

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

I suggest you look at his cards. That makes it easier to play, am i rite?

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

easy fold plzyed like this IMO. yes you might get a AQ call or something, but too often he will have 2 pr/set or a pr+ draw thats ahead.

also- i HATE this play with AA. srsly just 3 bet pf, not like anyone folds when they have position. especially since I assume your not cold calling many hands in the SB(i hope not at least)


PS- this does not belong in HSNL, yes, I could see some 5/10 hands fitting in, but def not this.

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

um you're way ahead of his range.

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also- i HATE this play with AA. srsly just 3 bet pf, not like anyone folds when they have position. especially since I assume your not cold calling many hands in the SB(i hope not at least)


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Re-read my original post, I explained why I cold-called pre-flop.

FYI, I did fold, but I'm curious as to what others thinks. Looks like consensus is this was a good fold. However, how would you have played this (besides re-raising pre, which I normally do, but was looking to trap the BB)?

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

look over his shoulder and see what he has

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look over his shoulder and see what he has

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Man I totally beat you to this joke. Consider yourself owned, son.

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

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but was looking to trap the BB)?

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short stacks will get it in there if they have something good anyways, especially if he wants to double through you in particular.


also- trap big stacks, not people with the min buy in.

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

It's difficult to trap big stacks pre-flop. If I re-raise, the BB may fold a hand like 77 or AT that he might shove if I just call. He could also cold call w/ some pos hand and stack the rest off if he flops something. There's also the value that if the BB shoves, the button could potentially isolate and put a lot of money in the pot, in which case I technically would have him trapped.

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lol at everyone saying fold the flop, shove it in all day long. This is why you slowplay AA pre....

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lol at everyone saying fold the flop, shove it in all day long. This is why you slowplay AA pre....

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Haha yes, shove it in on the worst flop ever and into a calling range that has you crushed.

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Rather than go for a scary check/raise or even check/call, I decided to lead (too obv?)to see where I was at.

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Did you find out?

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

I think so. His range of hands here is like all 2 pairs, sets, straights, pair + draws (QJ, JT, J9, KQ, JJ, pair + flush draw), KK/AA, AJ, and AQ. Given this range, my equity is only 40%. A lot of these hands have me crushed (sets, straights, 2 pairs); some are equal in equity (pair + draws); some I'm slightly ahead of (KQ, AJ not clubs); and only 1 hand I'm really crushing (AQ). Given the situation, I thought this was a fold. It's not easy to give up aces when you're hand is totally misrepresented, but I think this is a spot to get away cheaply as more often than not, I'm getting stacked if I push here (he'll prob fold the hands I'm a good size favorite against and call w/ equal or better hands only).

I'm curious as to what you guys think are some alternate lines post-flop.

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I think so. His range of hands here is like all 2 pairs, sets, straights, pair + draws (QJ, JT, J9, KQ, JJ, pair + flush draw), KK/AA, AJ, and AQ.

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So his range is pretty much any hand he would bet with post flop, minus any bluffs hed make. Lead/fold here seems really bad.

I don't think i have ever raised for information in my life.

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lol at everyone saying fold the flop, shove it in all day long. This is why you slowplay AA pre....

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Haha yes, shove it in on the worst flop ever and into a calling range that has you crushed.

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rofl

Re: Slowplayed AA on Scary Flop (5/10)
 

this is the worst hand with the worst thread i have ever seen